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What can I say other than "massive fucking injustice"?

I can't even comment more intelligently than that.

In good news, Zach is getting out. Unfortunately, I suspect that's because six weeks has come and gone, not because his parents have learned a valuable lesson about love and tolerance.

Date: 2005-07-28 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kibbles.livejournal.com
I've known transgendered people with jobs, and I don't know -- I am a parent of three and if it was between that, and taking care of the children I brought into this world, I'd wear ANYTHING, take any shitty job I could, to make sure they were taken care of. I'd put MY NEEDS aside for my children.

And yes I've done some really crappy jobs, and so has my husband, to make sure the kids are ok. It's what you DO as a parent.

Date: 2005-07-28 09:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drewaline.livejournal.com
I was simply copying and pasting what I read.

Date: 2005-07-28 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neurotica0.livejournal.com
1. The fact that you know transgendered people with jobs doesn't take away from the fact that systemic discrimination against transgendered people exists.

2. Your statement that you would do this and that seems to present being transgendered as a choice. It's really easy from a position of privilege to say how you would react if in the situation of a person without privilege. The fact of the matter is that you aren't in that position.

Date: 2005-07-29 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
*nods* And being transgendered in New York City is a far cry from being transgendered in Spokane.

There seems to be an assumption here that "transgendered" doesn't mean anything but a choice about what to wear. That assumption is utterly incorrect.

I have no sympathy at all for the "poor, poor spouse" who 'outed' Kimberly to her boss, thus getting her fired - that doesn't sound much like concern for the welfare of the children, now does it?

Date: 2005-07-29 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neurotica0.livejournal.com
*nods*

I recognize that I have the privilege of my biological sex matching up (at least mostly) with my gender identity. So it doesn't matter whether I would or wouldn't dress against that gender identity for a job, for my children. That situation is quite different for a person whose biology and identity don't match up. They have every right to take appropriate measure to present their gender identity. And shouldn't be asked to act otherwise.

[I also agree that there is a lot more to it than the issue of clothing.]

With that said, I would not take a job that required me to wear skirts/dresses, shave my legs, or keep my eyebrows plucked. I think these are ridiculous attachments to my gender and I do not feel obligated to do them. I rarely, if ever, wear dresses, and only do the other two occasionally. Would I make a terrible parent because I would like to be treated like a human capable of dictating my appearance in a reasonable manner? I don't think so.

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