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Mar. 29th, 2005 07:24 pm
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Yes, this is cruel. But you know what? If it teaches her not to be so stupid in the future, it's worth it. Plagiarism is a crime. Cheating is dishonest, and if you're going to either, you should at least be intelligent enough not to go about it in this stupid fashion, randomly contacting people you don't know.

So the lessons to take from this are as follows:

1. Don't cheat
2. Don't give personal information to strangers online

Date: 2005-03-29 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griphus.livejournal.com
i think that story is a whole lot of wish fulfillment to anyone that struggled and failed a class only to watch someone cheat and succeed.

Date: 2005-03-29 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atdelphi.livejournal.com
I agree. I don't think posting unverified personal information was the right thing to do, but the people complaining about the rest of it really get my goat. As a university student with half an eye on the cut-throat world of grad school admission, little disgusts me more than the people who see no problem in plagiarising or buying a term paper when some of us spend the requisite week(s) of research and late nights to produce some work of original thought. Putting grades aside, attitudes like this girl's spit in the face of the academic world as we know it.

Date: 2005-03-29 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiggaroo.livejournal.com
I loved that. LOVED. IT.

Date: 2005-03-29 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewshead.livejournal.com
Lesson #3

Don't hand in an essay with the word "doody" in it.

Date: 2005-03-29 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_outtonight/
I didn't think it was mean at all. If he had called her names or said anything overly-derogatory, sure, but there was nothing belittling about it besides the basic fact she was dumb enough to ask someone online to write a paper for her.

Date: 2005-03-29 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malantha.livejournal.com
Out of curiosity, what happens to the guy that wrote it? Can he get in any kind of trouble for that?

Date: 2005-03-29 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
Sure, if he's in college... at my college helping someone to plagerize is considered plagerism. Short of that - probably not.

I'm still offended that I caught a plagerist and nobody did anything about it. The problem was, it wasn't for a class. It was for a small, literary magazine, and I couldn't 100% prove it. I just knew I'd read that exact story before and had a decent guess as to where. I don't think they even bothered to check. I think the kid handed in a story written by Penn and Teller... subtle. But my school didn't care because it wasn't school related. *sighs*

Anyhow, I'm all for nailing true plagerism. I'm not for getting overly eager about what you call plagerism. But this is a clear-cut case. Flunk the kid. Consider kicking her out of college.

Date: 2005-03-29 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azuresunglasses.livejournal.com
I hate it when people cheat. Seriously, ruin the grade curve for us all.
However, there are greater implications behind it. I go to a *very* high-stress, high-academic pressure school, and I'd say 60% of the student body has cheated. The way my school is run subtley encourages kids to do anything they can for the A. Sacrifice their integrity and conscience for... a score above 90. *le sigh* People I know do this, and I know they are not bad people, but instead the system corrupts them. It's quite ironic, actually, we were reading Frankenstein, and talking about how Shelley was trying to imply that society corrupts basically good beings with the character of the Creature, as people were cheating on their essays. For there to be a change, both the schools and the students have to change their mindsets.
On the one hand, it is extreme, and the poor girl probably didn't really deserve to be tortured like this.
On the other hand, Indian caste system? It's not exactly brain surgery, and it is an interesting subject. And she shouldn't be cheating.
Forgive my incoherant blabber, I'm tired.

Date: 2005-03-31 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
ruin the grade curve for us all

*twitch* That phrase just makes me tetchy, since I was always getting excoriated for "ruining the curve" by getting a hundred or ninety-five on the tests.

No, I didn't cheat. No, I didn't study either.

Date: 2005-03-30 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eofs.livejournal.com
Cheating seems to be an interesting cultural thing. I have a friend in Germany who refused point blank to believe I had never cheated in an exam - gone to the loo and slipped to my locker to check a text book or something. In his day and place apparently it was pretty much expected. It wasn't until I explained that during our exams any loo breaks are accompanied and that being caught cheating means you fail that exam (for sure,) that subject (probably) and even ALL of your GCSEs (in severe cases.) Two years work down the drain and you'll leave school without the most basic of qualifications. It just isn't worth it. He believed me then.

Date: 2005-03-30 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wodhaund.livejournal.com
Brilliant.

Date: 2005-03-29 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griphus.livejournal.com
i think that story is a whole lot of wish fulfillment to anyone that struggled and failed a class only to watch someone cheat and succeed.

Date: 2005-03-29 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atdelphi.livejournal.com
I agree. I don't think posting unverified personal information was the right thing to do, but the people complaining about the rest of it really get my goat. As a university student with half an eye on the cut-throat world of grad school admission, little disgusts me more than the people who see no problem in plagiarising or buying a term paper when some of us spend the requisite week(s) of research and late nights to produce some work of original thought. Putting grades aside, attitudes like this girl's spit in the face of the academic world as we know it.

Date: 2005-03-29 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiggaroo.livejournal.com
I loved that. LOVED. IT.

Date: 2005-03-29 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andrewshead.livejournal.com
Lesson #3

Don't hand in an essay with the word "doody" in it.

Date: 2005-03-29 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_outtonight/
I didn't think it was mean at all. If he had called her names or said anything overly-derogatory, sure, but there was nothing belittling about it besides the basic fact she was dumb enough to ask someone online to write a paper for her.

Date: 2005-03-29 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malantha.livejournal.com
Out of curiosity, what happens to the guy that wrote it? Can he get in any kind of trouble for that?

Date: 2005-03-29 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
Sure, if he's in college... at my college helping someone to plagerize is considered plagerism. Short of that - probably not.

I'm still offended that I caught a plagerist and nobody did anything about it. The problem was, it wasn't for a class. It was for a small, literary magazine, and I couldn't 100% prove it. I just knew I'd read that exact story before and had a decent guess as to where. I don't think they even bothered to check. I think the kid handed in a story written by Penn and Teller... subtle. But my school didn't care because it wasn't school related. *sighs*

Anyhow, I'm all for nailing true plagerism. I'm not for getting overly eager about what you call plagerism. But this is a clear-cut case. Flunk the kid. Consider kicking her out of college.

Date: 2005-03-29 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azuresunglasses.livejournal.com
I hate it when people cheat. Seriously, ruin the grade curve for us all.
However, there are greater implications behind it. I go to a *very* high-stress, high-academic pressure school, and I'd say 60% of the student body has cheated. The way my school is run subtley encourages kids to do anything they can for the A. Sacrifice their integrity and conscience for... a score above 90. *le sigh* People I know do this, and I know they are not bad people, but instead the system corrupts them. It's quite ironic, actually, we were reading Frankenstein, and talking about how Shelley was trying to imply that society corrupts basically good beings with the character of the Creature, as people were cheating on their essays. For there to be a change, both the schools and the students have to change their mindsets.
On the one hand, it is extreme, and the poor girl probably didn't really deserve to be tortured like this.
On the other hand, Indian caste system? It's not exactly brain surgery, and it is an interesting subject. And she shouldn't be cheating.
Forgive my incoherant blabber, I'm tired.

Date: 2005-03-31 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
ruin the grade curve for us all

*twitch* That phrase just makes me tetchy, since I was always getting excoriated for "ruining the curve" by getting a hundred or ninety-five on the tests.

No, I didn't cheat. No, I didn't study either.

Date: 2005-03-30 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eofs.livejournal.com
Cheating seems to be an interesting cultural thing. I have a friend in Germany who refused point blank to believe I had never cheated in an exam - gone to the loo and slipped to my locker to check a text book or something. In his day and place apparently it was pretty much expected. It wasn't until I explained that during our exams any loo breaks are accompanied and that being caught cheating means you fail that exam (for sure,) that subject (probably) and even ALL of your GCSEs (in severe cases.) Two years work down the drain and you'll leave school without the most basic of qualifications. It just isn't worth it. He believed me then.

Date: 2005-03-30 08:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wodhaund.livejournal.com
Brilliant.

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