conuly

have you ever met a cow? they are in fact pretty intellegent.

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l33tminion

I never had a conversation with a cow, but I do know they are quite tasty.

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yep. they do taste great. take it from a cow fanatic, they are actually pretty smart.

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l33tminion

Brains and beef... an excellent animal indeed.

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lol.

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Yes, and I got much more of an impression of a large, drooling animal than of a smart one.

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met the wrong cows then. were they beef or milk cows?

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I don't know... they were cows... in a field. I went over to the fence and one came over to me. Seemed a sweet animal, but rather slobbery. I didn't ask it if it was a milk or a beef cow, and I doubt it would have told me. If it had understood the question, it'd have likely been offended.

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lol. did it have udders? beef cows tend not to, as they aren't bred much. well, they are, they just aren't put with the other beefers, as far as i know.

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yay, cow. you rock, con.

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Theres never been doubt in my mind that animals are as individual as us, and as capable of feeling fear and pain and excitement and any other number of things. The idea that this is something people are only just considering boggles the mind.
I only have to look at the number of rats I've had over the last 7 years and how hugely different they all have been. I've had rats that are anti-social and short tempered, I've had rats who love everyone and go out of their way to please, I've had rats who take completely irrational dislikes to other rats, I've had rats who are complete mummy's boys, the list goes on.
An animal might not have the knowledge on certain things like we do, but that doesn't mean they don't feel it. I've had to consider this many a time when I have an ill rat and have to decide wether they're still getting good quality of life. An animal knows when it's in pain, it might not know WHY it is, and it might not have any thought about wether that pain will go away in the future or wether it'll still be there tomorrow, but it's still feeling that pain in the here and now. And they randomly have good days when they're merry despite everything, just like we do. We need to remember that we ARE animals. Anything we feel is entirely likely to be felt by other animals. We are not in a class of our own, we are not special, we are a species of animal, nothing more.
An animal may not understand why it feels a certain way, but that doesn't mean it doesn't feel it.

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xmorningxrosex.livejournal.com

agreed. My 3 dogs have all been so different. My first one was a mommy who was scared of lightning and loved beer. My second was a sweetheart who would comfort me when I was crying, and was a total mama's girl who loved to make friends with all our neighbor dogs. My last was this lil rambunctious boy who had this terrible mean streak in him, and was very possessive, not very intelligent, and yet was super playful when he wasn't being crabby.

After my second dog died 4 years ago, I realized how hypocritical it was for me to be so upset about one animal's death when I was eating other animals for dinner. Haven't eaten meat since.

I like this article...surprised that people didn't realize it before though. Mind if I x-post?

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conuly

Go ahead.

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Well, Im not a vegetarian, I have no plans to become one, but I don't consider it hypocritical that I respect and love animals but also eat meat. I do wish the WAY in which meat was produced was more humane, definately, but the actual act of eating meat isn't something I have a problem with. I'd rather see a free range cow live a good life and eventually be killed quickly and efficiently by someone who knows what they're doing than see a wild cow ripped to bits by a lion in the wild. No difference to me. Somethings gonna eat it, may aswell be me.

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athanata.livejournal.com

best case for vegetarianism i've ever read...

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lakidaa.livejournal.com

I'm more partial to chicken, anyway.

But they have feelings too? aw snap.

I think that it's ok to eat meat, but the way we keep animals and butcher them needs to be more humane.

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l33tminion

Well, they are individuals. They're individual animals. Not individual people, not necessarily conscious, and not intelligent beings.

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have you ever met a cow? they are in fact pretty intellegent.

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l33tminion

I never had a conversation with a cow, but I do know they are quite tasty.

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yep. they do taste great. take it from a cow fanatic, they are actually pretty smart.

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l33tminion

Brains and beef... an excellent animal indeed.

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lol.

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Yes, and I got much more of an impression of a large, drooling animal than of a smart one.

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met the wrong cows then. were they beef or milk cows?

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I don't know... they were cows... in a field. I went over to the fence and one came over to me. Seemed a sweet animal, but rather slobbery. I didn't ask it if it was a milk or a beef cow, and I doubt it would have told me. If it had understood the question, it'd have likely been offended.

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lol. did it have udders? beef cows tend not to, as they aren't bred much. well, they are, they just aren't put with the other beefers, as far as i know.

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yay, cow. you rock, con.

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Theres never been doubt in my mind that animals are as individual as us, and as capable of feeling fear and pain and excitement and any other number of things. The idea that this is something people are only just considering boggles the mind.
I only have to look at the number of rats I've had over the last 7 years and how hugely different they all have been. I've had rats that are anti-social and short tempered, I've had rats who love everyone and go out of their way to please, I've had rats who take completely irrational dislikes to other rats, I've had rats who are complete mummy's boys, the list goes on.
An animal might not have the knowledge on certain things like we do, but that doesn't mean they don't feel it. I've had to consider this many a time when I have an ill rat and have to decide wether they're still getting good quality of life. An animal knows when it's in pain, it might not know WHY it is, and it might not have any thought about wether that pain will go away in the future or wether it'll still be there tomorrow, but it's still feeling that pain in the here and now. And they randomly have good days when they're merry despite everything, just like we do. We need to remember that we ARE animals. Anything we feel is entirely likely to be felt by other animals. We are not in a class of our own, we are not special, we are a species of animal, nothing more.
An animal may not understand why it feels a certain way, but that doesn't mean it doesn't feel it.

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xmorningxrosex.livejournal.com

agreed. My 3 dogs have all been so different. My first one was a mommy who was scared of lightning and loved beer. My second was a sweetheart who would comfort me when I was crying, and was a total mama's girl who loved to make friends with all our neighbor dogs. My last was this lil rambunctious boy who had this terrible mean streak in him, and was very possessive, not very intelligent, and yet was super playful when he wasn't being crabby.

After my second dog died 4 years ago, I realized how hypocritical it was for me to be so upset about one animal's death when I was eating other animals for dinner. Haven't eaten meat since.

I like this article...surprised that people didn't realize it before though. Mind if I x-post?

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conuly

Go ahead.

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