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Is there any way for a state, or group of states, to secede from the union, legally and without creating a war? Because this country is fucking huge, and this means that a huge portion of the population is always going to feel under-represented. Instead of one huge nation, we could have 3-6 smaller ones.

Date: 2004-11-03 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anotheralice.livejournal.com
I was curious about this as well. I mean, honestly -- isn't part of what's wrong with America is simply the fact that it's too friggin' huge? The culture is so *vastly* different in various portions of our nation-states. Granted, this is probably a rather unpopular opinion, but still. We *are* a divided nation. And it's incredibly difficult to manage a country that spans seven time zones. (In my little opinion.)

Date: 2004-11-03 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mintogrubb.livejournal.com
OK, Every state that touches the Pacific, from north to south is Democrat blue.
New England, in its entirity, matches my eyes. I reckon that if you guys are determined enough, you have got some sort of base.

Date: 2004-11-03 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anotheralice.livejournal.com
Oh, and I meant to say -- this is from the Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Date: 2004-11-03 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snale.livejournal.com
This is exactly what I needed to read today. Thank you.
Do you mind if I go post this in my journal?

Date: 2004-11-03 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anotheralice.livejournal.com
sure, go for it! (being that it already belongs to all of us anyway.) *grin*

Date: 2004-11-03 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snale.livejournal.com
:)
Thanks!

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