Thanks again to maladaptive....

[conuly]

Here's the question. I know I'm probably a bit biased when it comes to religion because I'm not religious. At all. And then you see these fundies, and even though you *know* the vast majority of religious people are perfectly reasonable people... you end up twisting your views a little to see all religious people as potentially creepy and illogical and, well... insane. In a bad way. After all, they all believe in weird things that can't be proven, right? Right? It's all fascinating, but... different.

But I'm told that many religious people have the same views about non-religious people. And I know full well that most people on either side don't recognize their own bias when they walk right into it.

So, here's my question: Are there any atheist/agnostic fundies out there I haven't encountered before? Because I'd like to see, just for my own edification. I'm not sure if my belief that there aren't any is because, well, there aren't any, or if it's because I just don't see them as much/clearly.

(Oh, and click the scary link. Thanks)

Comments

[wakasplat.livejournal.com]

To be frank, a woman who dresses immodestly causes men to think unholy thoughts of fornication and adultery.

WHAT?

So, like, when I wear as little clothing as I can get away with, for reasons to to prevent heat exhaustion, which I'm incredibly prone to, it means I'm "immodest" and CAUSING other people to "sin"? Good grief.

[conuly]

And their sinning is entirely your responsibility, doncha know.

[rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com]

I know an Aspie who is a fundie athiest. (He's not on LJ, though.) He truly believes that atheism is the only true path, the only sensible path, and he is constantly trying to push his views on anyone who expresses any kind of religious belief, whether Christian, pagan, Buddhist, Moslem or any other kind of religion. He is constantly trotting out religious horror stories, like the mentally ill woman who killed her four children because she believed God was talking to her and telling her to do it, as proof of how evil religion is.

When I told him that just as he doesn't like people pushing their religious beliefs on him, other people don't like him pushing his non-religious beliefs on them, he said, "That's different. I'm right, and they're wrong."

[conuly]

*cracks up*

Oh, that's funny. Of course, I certainly think that about a lot of things, but it's really a bit tactless to admit to it, isn't it?

[moggymania.livejournal.com]

How do you define "fundie" in this case? I know that among religious people, it means quite a few different things... Not sure if you are asking about social/gender fundamentalists (people that believe in strict gender segregation like the anti-pants dude) or the sort that believes religious individuals are as inferior as they usually view us as being, or something else entirely. I have met both kinds, at least, if that answers anything.

[conuly]

*pauses*

You know... I don't think I *know* what I mean. It's a "know it when I see it" kinda thing, which is really vague.

I'll think about it.

[furiosity.livejournal.com]

Are there any atheist/agnostic fundies out there I haven't encountered before?
I don't think I've encountered any online, but really, anything can be taken to the extreme. Agnosticism not so much since it's the ultimate in fence-sitting (and I love it up here on the fence!), but I can easily imagine an atheist who becomes zealous about convincing everyone that there is no God.

[conuly]

Well, there are two forms of agnosticism, aren't there?

There's the fence-sitting form: Maybe God exists, and maybe he doesn't. I sure don't know.

And then there's hard agnosticism: It's not possible for anybody to know if God does or doesn't exist (unless they happen to be God, of course). Y'all are all wrong!!!!! Nyah!

[mentalpathic.livejournal.com]

o_____O
lolz.

[marveen.livejournal.com]

That scary link reads like Landover Baptist to me, but I'm sure somebody somewhere actually believes it. (Funny how a lot of people seem to think that the Bible was written in the 1950s. "Men's clothing" ca. 4500 BC was probably flowing robes.)

I think the people who claim to be mortally offended and insulted by the mere practice of religion might qualify as fundie atheists. You know, the ones who get all up in the face of whomever was unwise enough to admit to being pious in their presence. (I met a few in my college years.)

[ratkrycek.livejournal.com]

Well, Stephen Jay Gould once called Daniel Dennett a "Darwinian fundamentalist."

(Evolutionary fundamentalist.)

If that helps. :)

I know I'm pedantic but...

[elfster.livejournal.com]

"She was wearing pants, and tight one's at that."

Where are the apostrophe police when you need them?

Re: I know I'm pedantic but...

[ex-chaos-by-699.livejournal.com]

I'm right with you on that one. Punishing abuse of the apostrophe is one of my pet causes.

[hopefulnebula]

Scary link? Nah. Hilarious.

No, you're right. Scary.

What I love is how much of it is "it causes men to sin."

[conuly]

Those poor men! Let's go bake them some cookies to make them feel better.

[sparkofcreation.livejournal.com]

Go to a UU church sometime if you want to meet scary fundie atheist/agnostics. I'm not Christian by a long stretch, but I find them personally offensive. And I certainly have met other UUs who look down on me for marrying someone who would believe something as illogical and unreasonable as Christianity. When we picked a minister, there were many people who threatened to leave the church if we didn't pick one who was an atheist or at least agnostic! There had been people who'd left the congregation when the last minister (what I call a non-specific theist; i.e. he believed in an unspecified higher power) was hired and the ones who stayed weren't going to stand for it a second time. Which, y'know ... this is UUism, there's supposed to be a variety of beliefs.

[peebs1701.livejournal.com]

UU = Unitarian Universalist?

[peebs1701.livejournal.com]

I've known a few militant atheists if that's what you mean. They think that all religion is nuts, anyone who believes in god/God/gods is crazy and everyone should be converted to thinking like they do.

[adiva_calandia]

jfkdl;ajk;f what.

I know NUNS that wear pants to church. What. The hell.

Um, cannot answer your question, but can sympathize with getting skewed views of people due to CRAZIES like that.

[sayga.livejournal.com]

When a woman takes on the appearance of a man, she often develops the attitude of a man. There is nothing more despicable than a masculine woman (except a feminine man).

that disgusts me. the person who wrote all this needs to take a look at themselves. he/she is judging everyone, which should be a sin in their book too. it's one thing to write an "unbiased" argument, but calling others despicable for their "sins" is judgemental; why aren't they judging themselves too? since i don't believe in sinning, though, i can judge that author all i want.

[leora.livejournal.com]

Clearly you didn't read The 10 Fashion Commandments part of the Bible. God has some very strong feelings about clothing. Although mostly it seems to be not to mix two kinds of fabric in one garment. So cotton-poly blends are bad.

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

From my standpoint most everything that has to do with religion in the US seems a whole lot more fundamental to me than anything to do with religion here. And when I say religion I am not only speaking of those that have a deity, but also those that don't believe in them. Because it takes more belief to be certain that there is nothing out there that might have caused the world than believing that something caused the world.

Here people are a lot more relaxed towards religion, but also not so religious. In many ways the society is more secular, but people generally are not atheists, they hold some personal beliefs and aren't so in your face about it.

[wakasplat.livejournal.com]

To be frank, a woman who dresses immodestly causes men to think unholy thoughts of fornication and adultery.

WHAT?

So, like, when I wear as little clothing as I can get away with, for reasons to to prevent heat exhaustion, which I'm incredibly prone to, it means I'm "immodest" and CAUSING other people to "sin"? Good grief.

[conuly]

And their sinning is entirely your responsibility, doncha know.

[rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com]

I know an Aspie who is a fundie athiest. (He's not on LJ, though.) He truly believes that atheism is the only true path, the only sensible path, and he is constantly trying to push his views on anyone who expresses any kind of religious belief, whether Christian, pagan, Buddhist, Moslem or any other kind of religion. He is constantly trotting out religious horror stories, like the mentally ill woman who killed her four children because she believed God was talking to her and telling her to do it, as proof of how evil religion is.

When I told him that just as he doesn't like people pushing their religious beliefs on him, other people don't like him pushing his non-religious beliefs on them, he said, "That's different. I'm right, and they're wrong."

[conuly]

*cracks up*

Oh, that's funny. Of course, I certainly think that about a lot of things, but it's really a bit tactless to admit to it, isn't it?

[moggymania.livejournal.com]

How do you define "fundie" in this case? I know that among religious people, it means quite a few different things... Not sure if you are asking about social/gender fundamentalists (people that believe in strict gender segregation like the anti-pants dude) or the sort that believes religious individuals are as inferior as they usually view us as being, or something else entirely. I have met both kinds, at least, if that answers anything.

[conuly]

*pauses*

You know... I don't think I *know* what I mean. It's a "know it when I see it" kinda thing, which is really vague.

I'll think about it.

[furiosity.livejournal.com]

Are there any atheist/agnostic fundies out there I haven't encountered before?
I don't think I've encountered any online, but really, anything can be taken to the extreme. Agnosticism not so much since it's the ultimate in fence-sitting (and I love it up here on the fence!), but I can easily imagine an atheist who becomes zealous about convincing everyone that there is no God.

[conuly]

Well, there are two forms of agnosticism, aren't there?

There's the fence-sitting form: Maybe God exists, and maybe he doesn't. I sure don't know.

And then there's hard agnosticism: It's not possible for anybody to know if God does or doesn't exist (unless they happen to be God, of course). Y'all are all wrong!!!!! Nyah!

[mentalpathic.livejournal.com]

o_____O
lolz.

[marveen.livejournal.com]

That scary link reads like Landover Baptist to me, but I'm sure somebody somewhere actually believes it. (Funny how a lot of people seem to think that the Bible was written in the 1950s. "Men's clothing" ca. 4500 BC was probably flowing robes.)

I think the people who claim to be mortally offended and insulted by the mere practice of religion might qualify as fundie atheists. You know, the ones who get all up in the face of whomever was unwise enough to admit to being pious in their presence. (I met a few in my college years.)

[ratkrycek.livejournal.com]

Well, Stephen Jay Gould once called Daniel Dennett a "Darwinian fundamentalist."

(Evolutionary fundamentalist.)

If that helps. :)

I know I'm pedantic but...

[elfster.livejournal.com]

"She was wearing pants, and tight one's at that."

Where are the apostrophe police when you need them?

Re: I know I'm pedantic but...

[ex-chaos-by-699.livejournal.com]

I'm right with you on that one. Punishing abuse of the apostrophe is one of my pet causes.

[hopefulnebula]

Scary link? Nah. Hilarious.

No, you're right. Scary.

What I love is how much of it is "it causes men to sin."

[conuly]

Those poor men! Let's go bake them some cookies to make them feel better.

[sparkofcreation.livejournal.com]

Go to a UU church sometime if you want to meet scary fundie atheist/agnostics. I'm not Christian by a long stretch, but I find them personally offensive. And I certainly have met other UUs who look down on me for marrying someone who would believe something as illogical and unreasonable as Christianity. When we picked a minister, there were many people who threatened to leave the church if we didn't pick one who was an atheist or at least agnostic! There had been people who'd left the congregation when the last minister (what I call a non-specific theist; i.e. he believed in an unspecified higher power) was hired and the ones who stayed weren't going to stand for it a second time. Which, y'know ... this is UUism, there's supposed to be a variety of beliefs.

[peebs1701.livejournal.com]

UU = Unitarian Universalist?

[peebs1701.livejournal.com]

I've known a few militant atheists if that's what you mean. They think that all religion is nuts, anyone who believes in god/God/gods is crazy and everyone should be converted to thinking like they do.