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Ice machines! They're not just dirtier than toilets, they're dirtier than the water in the toilets! (But... they probably don't have ice made with the icky blue bleach, which is a plus.)

Thanks for the conversation on [livejournal.com profile] parenting101. I have not yet discovered if toilet water is dirtier than keyboards, but I've known for ages that toilet seats are :)

Date: 2008-05-21 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
The "would you burn the baby shoes if they fell in the toilet" post? Yeah, I totally thought of you when I saw that!!

Date: 2008-05-21 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
Also, one bacterium is not the same as another bacterium. I would think that the chance of finding a harmful bacterium in a toilet bowl is higher than in an ice machine. Numbers are not all that matters, if they did, we would all be far less human than we think we are, as the number of cells in our bodies that are not our own far outnumber our own cells.

Date: 2008-05-21 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Also, bacteria are not the only harmful thing you're going to find on a toilet seat. I mean, fluids with various waste substances get sprayed there and then dry, yes bacteria are going to grow there but you still have the wastes themselves. You're not likely (goodness i hope) to encounter dried pee on a computer keyboard.

Date: 2008-06-02 05:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
Regular cleaning is not that effective, even supposedly thorough cleaning is not that effective (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080511094422.htm). Sure enough, most of the time, toilets are harmless enough, but the chance of coming across a harmful bacterium there is higher than in a number of other places, including ice machines. Lax cleaning of either ice machines or toilets may however present a harmful concentration of otherwise benign microbial life.

Also, even though urine itself may not harbour much life, skin does, and on women's toilets skin touches many a place, and the urine itself picks up some life in it's passing. There is also fair nutrition in urine and faeces, and life may thrive in the portion that is not flushed.

All said, healthy respect for, not irrational fear of, human waste is advisable.

Date: 2008-06-02 07:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
We don't need to drink the water from a toilet to get exposed to the life it harbours. We get exposed to it every time we sit on a toilet. Thankfully, our skin and it's native microbes are pretty good at handling most pathogens, but shit happens every now and again ; )

Of course ice consuming people are far more likely to get an upset stomach from a poorly tended ice machine than from a toilet, but the toilet itself still remains a potential cause of harm, and in such a case, it may prove a more serious harm than from the ice machine. So, throwing out the shoe is going overboard, washing it in a washing machine is sensible.

Besides, drinking liquid close to 0°C isn't very good for us anyway, so why bother with the ice?

Date: 2008-06-02 07:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
In particular since if something goes seriously wrong with the digestive tract, and there is not liquid at hand, a human dies quickly and painfully.

Date: 2008-06-02 07:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
That would certainly be going overboard.

Date: 2008-05-22 09:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] art1s7779.livejournal.com
I feel the same.

Date: 2008-05-21 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
The "would you burn the baby shoes if they fell in the toilet" post? Yeah, I totally thought of you when I saw that!!

Date: 2008-05-21 08:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
Also, one bacterium is not the same as another bacterium. I would think that the chance of finding a harmful bacterium in a toilet bowl is higher than in an ice machine. Numbers are not all that matters, if they did, we would all be far less human than we think we are, as the number of cells in our bodies that are not our own far outnumber our own cells.

Date: 2008-05-21 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Also, bacteria are not the only harmful thing you're going to find on a toilet seat. I mean, fluids with various waste substances get sprayed there and then dry, yes bacteria are going to grow there but you still have the wastes themselves. You're not likely (goodness i hope) to encounter dried pee on a computer keyboard.

Date: 2008-06-02 05:20 pm (UTC)
ext_620: (Default)
From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
Regular cleaning is not that effective, even supposedly thorough cleaning is not that effective (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080511094422.htm). Sure enough, most of the time, toilets are harmless enough, but the chance of coming across a harmful bacterium there is higher than in a number of other places, including ice machines. Lax cleaning of either ice machines or toilets may however present a harmful concentration of otherwise benign microbial life.

Also, even though urine itself may not harbour much life, skin does, and on women's toilets skin touches many a place, and the urine itself picks up some life in it's passing. There is also fair nutrition in urine and faeces, and life may thrive in the portion that is not flushed.

All said, healthy respect for, not irrational fear of, human waste is advisable.

Date: 2008-06-02 07:05 pm (UTC)
ext_620: (Default)
From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
We don't need to drink the water from a toilet to get exposed to the life it harbours. We get exposed to it every time we sit on a toilet. Thankfully, our skin and it's native microbes are pretty good at handling most pathogens, but shit happens every now and again ; )

Of course ice consuming people are far more likely to get an upset stomach from a poorly tended ice machine than from a toilet, but the toilet itself still remains a potential cause of harm, and in such a case, it may prove a more serious harm than from the ice machine. So, throwing out the shoe is going overboard, washing it in a washing machine is sensible.

Besides, drinking liquid close to 0°C isn't very good for us anyway, so why bother with the ice?

Date: 2008-06-02 07:12 pm (UTC)
ext_620: (Default)
From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
In particular since if something goes seriously wrong with the digestive tract, and there is not liquid at hand, a human dies quickly and painfully.

Date: 2008-06-02 07:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] velvetchamber.livejournal.com
That would certainly be going overboard.

Date: 2008-05-22 09:19 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I feel the same.

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