conuly

"No wonder we're all going to hell, we've got a sucky anthem that nobody can sing."

Now image America filled with if not all its people then all of its politicians who governed according to the song, as it was originally intended, by the singer in spirit.

The Founding Forefathers of America fashioned the U.S. Constitution miming ideals of Freemasonry. In the beginning Freemasonry was of the Orient, meaning symbolic of that in which is of the element spirit. "Star" means a contemplative union with God.

The Star Spangled Banner was rewritten, more than once; and in its final draft (excuse the pun) favored more of a Jewish fundamentalism of Soul realization, freedoms and advantages rather than full Scientific Enlightenment.

I assure you Benjamin Franklin is rolling in his grave as we speak. He wrote much about America's need to protect the Masonic-styled philosophy from being infiltrated by the Jewish people.

Please refer to Benjamin Franklin's, 'The Jewish Threat on the American Society', The New Dawn, monthly newsletter of the MAB, issue 2 Oct & Nov 2000; also G.U.P.S. leaflet, 'Prophecy of Benjamin Franklin in regard of the Jewish race', distributed at Manchester University, March 2002

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conuly

Before I decide how to respond, I am curious. Are you commenting here to say "our founding fathers were anti-semitic" or to say "we have too many Jewish influences in our culture"?

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I don't know how to answer that as I haven't read of other Founding Fathers' views on stated. Today's ills in American society seem proof enough, for me anyway, that, while Benjamin Franklin may or may have not been anti-Semitic, he certainly attacked their religious views with clarity and precision.

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conuly

Thank you. I'll say something intelligent in a bit.

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Please refer further to the Anti-Defamation League's The Franklin "Prophecy": Modern Anti-Semitic Myth-Making, c. 1998-9; also Straight Dope column, "What's the true story on Benjamin Franklin?", 20 August 2004.

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Interesting how history's unlearned lessons keep repeating themselves; and do please keep in mind my only concern here is to make aware to the mass at large the reasons why these meme wars of ideologies are happening present day. Last, I don't make the news. I just report it.

http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/mythos/mythostoc.htm
http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/jrm/jrm_toc.htm
http://www.tightrope.cc/jewquotes.htm

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Link one: the table of contents of Alfred Rosenberg's Mythos des XX. Jahrhunderts (The Myth of the 20th Century), posted online "IN MEMORY OF THE TWO MILLION GERMAN HEROES WHO FELL IN THE WORLD WAR FOR A GERMAN LIFE AND A GERMAN REICH OF HONOUR AND FREEDOM."

Link two: table of contents of a book purporting to prove the old canard about jews ritually murdering Christians.

Link three: the spurious Franklin quote (and a George Washington quote equally dubious) mixed in among anti-Semitic quotes, verifiable and otherwise, from other famous historical figures. (That is, it's verifiable that they said these things, not that their words have any relation to objective reality.)

Either you're posting these pages as a warning about the kind of people who take such yammerings seriously, or you're inadvertently proving that one needn't necessarily be a supporter of Israel's foreign policy in order to conflate opposition to that policy with anti-semitism.

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samael418.livejournal.com

Say, Chris, whatever happened to your career as a Heiddeggar scholar? Your prof finally figure out you're bat shit crazy? Or did he get a restraining order?

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polydad.livejournal.com

What's hard to sing?

"To Anachreon in Heav'n,
Where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony
Sent a petition.
That he their inspirer and patron should be,
When this answer came down,
from the jolly old Grecian.

Voice, fiddle and flute,
no longer be mute,
I'll lend ye my name,
And inspire ye to boot,

So long may the sons of Anacreon entwine,
The myrtle of Venus
with Bachhus's vine!"

Play ball!

best,

Joel

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ursamajor

see, i LIKE our anthem.

but that's because i'm a ~~diva soprano~~ music geek who adores multipart harmony, who's sung this at countless orientations and graduations and in two major league baseball parks (only 28 to go!) and at one point could sing all four parts (granted, bass an octave up) of multiple arrangements of it. ... nah, i'm a diva soprano after all. ;)

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rantinan.livejournal.com

I like the fish heads song. But hte national antham of the PRH is the tenticle melody bashed together from a bunch of different vaudivle songs.

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rho

Same melody as the English (British?) national anthem

The British one. England doesn't actually have a national anthem of its own (though at sporting events like the Comonwealth games where they feel the need to play a song, but also feel the need to play something other than the British anthem, they tend to use Land of Hope and Glory). Curiously enough, Scotland and Wales do both have an anthem of their own, though possibly only de facto rather than de jure. I haven't a clue about Northern Ireland though. I tend to suspect that there'd be far too much Politics involved to get them to agree on an anthem, unfortunately.

The thing is though, I like your anthem a whole lot better than ours, despite all its shortcomings, mainly because yours doesn't sound like a funeral dirge. I'm sure that it's possible to play ours in a way that doesn't make everyone fall asleep, but nobody ever seems to do it. And the lyrics to ours are pretty ropey as well. At least the queen is a person rather than a bit of cloth, so she deserves some respect, but not absolute reverence. Then there are the religious bits. Then there are the bits in the verses that nobody sings about going off and killing the Scots and the Welsh. Hello? They're actually part of our country now. don't you think it might be time to update? No wonder they have their own separate anthems.

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conuly

Our anthem has verses about how evil the English are.

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rho

Sure. But at least you aren't bad-mouthing bits of your own country in it.

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I keep meaning to do a parody of that nauseating Lee Greenwood song that the RNC loves so much.

But not now. The World Tribunal On Iraq has concluded sessions in Istanbul and is about to deliver their verdict.

Well, in an hour or so. Live streaming sobriety. Beat that.

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http://www.worldtribunal.org/main/?

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ciara-belle.livejournal.com

I rather like America the Beautiful, actually. MUCH easier to sing.

No one ever starts the national anthem in the right key, unless they're an actual, good singer, I think. Because most people start the song too high for their voice and then by the time they get to "and the rockets' red glare" and then "and the laaaaaaaaand of the FREEEEEEEEEEE!" they're practically shrieking.

Our national anthem should really have fewer large jumps in it.

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marveen.livejournal.com

What I hate are the ones who think it's arty (or whatever it is that motivates them)....they can't hold a note to save their lives, but whenever the score calls for a held note (such as on the lyrics "glare", "proof", etc.), they wander around hitting every note in the key instead.

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raleighj.livejournal.com

Who wouldn't like a song with phrases like "venal sycophants"? Though the last stanza gave me a bit of a double-check.

I always liked "America the Beautiful." First for the "alabaster cities undimmed by human tears," which I thought was the most awesome imagery even before I knew what alabaster was, and secondly for repeated idea of "we're far from perfect, but these are the ideals we're striving toward, and a vision of what could be." Mending thy flaws, confirming thy soul, refining thy gold, making all success noble, crowning thy good with brotherhood.

(Never associated it with manifest destiny, but I can see some of the connections now that you've mentioned it).

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conuly

1. Illiterates? The venal sycophants themselves?

2. Yes, it is lovely, but even as a kid I saw that the "sea to shining sea" bit wasn't put in there just for its poetry. And all that fruiting of the plains just set us up for massive ecological disaster in the form of the dust bowl.

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scottrossi.livejournal.com

i always laughed at our national anthem's origins. its ... so fitting in so many ways. hahaha.

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"No wonder we're all going to hell, we've got a sucky anthem that nobody can sing."

Now image America filled with if not all its people then all of its politicians who governed according to the song, as it was originally intended, by the singer in spirit.

The Founding Forefathers of America fashioned the U.S. Constitution miming ideals of Freemasonry. In the beginning Freemasonry was of the Orient, meaning symbolic of that in which is of the element spirit. "Star" means a contemplative union with God.

The Star Spangled Banner was rewritten, more than once; and in its final draft (excuse the pun) favored more of a Jewish fundamentalism of Soul realization, freedoms and advantages rather than full Scientific Enlightenment.

I assure you Benjamin Franklin is rolling in his grave as we speak. He wrote much about America's need to protect the Masonic-styled philosophy from being infiltrated by the Jewish people.

Please refer to Benjamin Franklin's, 'The Jewish Threat on the American Society', The New Dawn, monthly newsletter of the MAB, issue 2 Oct & Nov 2000; also G.U.P.S. leaflet, 'Prophecy of Benjamin Franklin in regard of the Jewish race', distributed at Manchester University, March 2002

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conuly

Before I decide how to respond, I am curious. Are you commenting here to say "our founding fathers were anti-semitic" or to say "we have too many Jewish influences in our culture"?

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I don't know how to answer that as I haven't read of other Founding Fathers' views on stated. Today's ills in American society seem proof enough, for me anyway, that, while Benjamin Franklin may or may have not been anti-Semitic, he certainly attacked their religious views with clarity and precision.

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conuly

Thank you. I'll say something intelligent in a bit.

From:

Please refer further to the Anti-Defamation League's The Franklin "Prophecy": Modern Anti-Semitic Myth-Making, c. 1998-9; also Straight Dope column, "What's the true story on Benjamin Franklin?", 20 August 2004.

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Interesting how history's unlearned lessons keep repeating themselves; and do please keep in mind my only concern here is to make aware to the mass at large the reasons why these meme wars of ideologies are happening present day. Last, I don't make the news. I just report it.

http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/mythos/mythostoc.htm
http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/jrm/jrm_toc.htm
http://www.tightrope.cc/jewquotes.htm

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Link one: the table of contents of Alfred Rosenberg's Mythos des XX. Jahrhunderts (The Myth of the 20th Century), posted online "IN MEMORY OF THE TWO MILLION GERMAN HEROES WHO FELL IN THE WORLD WAR FOR A GERMAN LIFE AND A GERMAN REICH OF HONOUR AND FREEDOM."

Link two: table of contents of a book purporting to prove the old canard about jews ritually murdering Christians.

Link three: the spurious Franklin quote (and a George Washington quote equally dubious) mixed in among anti-Semitic quotes, verifiable and otherwise, from other famous historical figures. (That is, it's verifiable that they said these things, not that their words have any relation to objective reality.)

Either you're posting these pages as a warning about the kind of people who take such yammerings seriously, or you're inadvertently proving that one needn't necessarily be a supporter of Israel's foreign policy in order to conflate opposition to that policy with anti-semitism.

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Say, Chris, whatever happened to your career as a Heiddeggar scholar? Your prof finally figure out you're bat shit crazy? Or did he get a restraining order?

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polydad.livejournal.com

What's hard to sing?

"To Anachreon in Heav'n,
Where he sat in full glee,
A few sons of harmony
Sent a petition.
That he their inspirer and patron should be,
When this answer came down,
from the jolly old Grecian.

Voice, fiddle and flute,
no longer be mute,
I'll lend ye my name,
And inspire ye to boot,

So long may the sons of Anacreon entwine,
The myrtle of Venus
with Bachhus's vine!"

Play ball!

best,

Joel

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ursamajor

see, i LIKE our anthem.

but that's because i'm a ~~diva soprano~~ music geek who adores multipart harmony, who's sung this at countless orientations and graduations and in two major league baseball parks (only 28 to go!) and at one point could sing all four parts (granted, bass an octave up) of multiple arrangements of it. ... nah, i'm a diva soprano after all. ;)

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rantinan.livejournal.com

I like the fish heads song. But hte national antham of the PRH is the tenticle melody bashed together from a bunch of different vaudivle songs.

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rho

Same melody as the English (British?) national anthem

The British one. England doesn't actually have a national anthem of its own (though at sporting events like the Comonwealth games where they feel the need to play a song, but also feel the need to play something other than the British anthem, they tend to use Land of Hope and Glory). Curiously enough, Scotland and Wales do both have an anthem of their own, though possibly only de facto rather than de jure. I haven't a clue about Northern Ireland though. I tend to suspect that there'd be far too much Politics involved to get them to agree on an anthem, unfortunately.

The thing is though, I like your anthem a whole lot better than ours, despite all its shortcomings, mainly because yours doesn't sound like a funeral dirge. I'm sure that it's possible to play ours in a way that doesn't make everyone fall asleep, but nobody ever seems to do it. And the lyrics to ours are pretty ropey as well. At least the queen is a person rather than a bit of cloth, so she deserves some respect, but not absolute reverence. Then there are the religious bits. Then there are the bits in the verses that nobody sings about going off and killing the Scots and the Welsh. Hello? They're actually part of our country now. don't you think it might be time to update? No wonder they have their own separate anthems.

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conuly

Our anthem has verses about how evil the English are.

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rho

Sure. But at least you aren't bad-mouthing bits of your own country in it.

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I keep meaning to do a parody of that nauseating Lee Greenwood song that the RNC loves so much.

But not now. The World Tribunal On Iraq has concluded sessions in Istanbul and is about to deliver their verdict.

Well, in an hour or so. Live streaming sobriety. Beat that.

From: