Oy vey...

[conuly]

"I think we should have a choice: They should teach you both," said Meagan Hass, 14, while eating pizza after school at KT's restaurant with her friend Abbi Hake. "Evolution to me is like we come from monkeys."

Except that it's not, and this just shows that you haven't been paying attention in class. Besides, even if that were the summation of the theory of evolution, that still wouldn't make a whit of difference. We don't teach that "well, maybe slavery was okay" because white Southern students might be offended, do we? So what's the difference?

Comments

[adiva_calandia]

"because white Southern students might be offended" Did you mean black? I'm sure plently of white students would be too, of course.

I can't access this article, sadly. Is it basically a discussion of evolution/creationism being taught?

[conuly]

So-called Intelligent Design, but yeah.

Man, that "creationism" doctrine just keeps on changing through time. There's a word for that, isn't there?

[celticess.livejournal.com]

Hmm they don't cover both there? They cover several theories here or rather they did when I was back in highschool years ago. *shrug*

[adiva_calandia]

For doctrines changing? Um. . . Paradigm shift? *shrug*

[mhari.livejournal.com]

Why don't these people give God credit for imagination? "Intelligent design" could just as well mean "Here, I'm going to create a bunch of barely-alive organisms and see what they turn into over the next couple billion years."

But no. All they can say is "durrrrr, monkeys!"

[conuly]

For changes through time.

Evolution.

[conuly]

No...

[conuly]

But the BIBLE says that GOD created the world in SEVEN DAYS! It says so!

How he did this before he had a sun and world to count days from, I don't know, but it says so, it does it does!

[adiva_calandia]

*headdesks at own stupidity*

You make me laugh. I make a fool of myself around you, but you're so funny that I'm okay with it.

[conuly]

1. Nah, it's late. Chalk it up to tiredness.
2. Thanks.
3. No you don't, but thanks again.

[chem-nerd.livejournal.com]

Time as we know it(minutes, hours, etc.) is a human construct. Why are we trying to define God's notion of time for Him? I'm reasonably confident that He didn't keep time by the rate of decay of a hunk of Cessium in Boulder Colorado. I'm a Christian, I believe what is written in Genesis 1. I'm also a scientist, I believe what scientific evidence tells me. Somehow, they must both be right, I'm not overly concerned about how.

[bastardsword.livejournal.com]

Sometimes, I am quite happy I live in Canada, where people trying to do this would, in all likelihood, be laughed down. (some of these are Canada-specific, some not)

1) Introducing religion to a Canadian, or any other, system would be volatile at best.
2) What about the Hindu intelligent design, with the cycles of Brahmic growth and death? etc.
3) If my bio teacher was forced to teach "And some people believe God made us all, etc. etc." she'd resist more than a bucking bronto resists the rider.
4) Too difficult to implement-- some teachers owuld ignore it, some would only do ID.
5) Goes against Canada's multiculturalism policy.
6) Any party introducing this bill might be forced to drop it from the vote if they were in power for fear of losing their government, as a wave of objections would follow it.
7) Imagine, if some school districh was smart enough to include intelligent design from all religions, how much freaking time that would take. We studied that in ENGLISH CLASS. There was an entire unit on it. This is not English class. Bio class is not here to read books and go, "Hm, y'know..."
8) Again, Canadian-centric: If you want religious education, get baptised, take a Catholic course, and go to Catholic school.
9) For more of the same sort of logic. (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/)

I hate hate hate this logic. "Well, um, it offends people, and is secular, so, um... GOD! Yup! God's the answer!"

Same sort of argument that people say: "Christians can't pray in school anymore cause of atheists" (false, and false-- no authority led or forced prayer) or "Christians are the most persecuted group in America today." (Yes, especially as you're 80% of the population, while there is less atheists than gays in America, the Prez is as fundementalist Christian as he can get without losing every moderate.)

And about her monkey comment: All in favour or explaining self-replicating polymers in children's books, say Aye.

Well, shucks, this was long and ranty. Zorry about that.

-Kimothy

[mhari.livejournal.com]

Because the Bible never ever ever ever uses metaphors, nope.

[lakidaa.livejournal.com]

My favorite thing people say is the 'it's just a theeeeoryyyy'.

Why YES, yes it IS a theory. a SCIEN-FREAKING-TIFIC theory! so Is gravity! and all them other things! THEORY.

*sputters madly*

[conuly]

It's amazing that you actually know more about American laws than most Americans. I'm disturbed.

[adiva_calandia]

"because white Southern students might be offended" Did you mean black? I'm sure plently of white students would be too, of course.

I can't access this article, sadly. Is it basically a discussion of evolution/creationism being taught?

[conuly]

So-called Intelligent Design, but yeah.

Man, that "creationism" doctrine just keeps on changing through time. There's a word for that, isn't there?

[celticess.livejournal.com]

Hmm they don't cover both there? They cover several theories here or rather they did when I was back in highschool years ago. *shrug*

[adiva_calandia]

For doctrines changing? Um. . . Paradigm shift? *shrug*

[mhari.livejournal.com]

Why don't these people give God credit for imagination? "Intelligent design" could just as well mean "Here, I'm going to create a bunch of barely-alive organisms and see what they turn into over the next couple billion years."

But no. All they can say is "durrrrr, monkeys!"

[conuly]

For changes through time.

Evolution.

[conuly]

No...

[conuly]

But the BIBLE says that GOD created the world in SEVEN DAYS! It says so!

How he did this before he had a sun and world to count days from, I don't know, but it says so, it does it does!

[adiva_calandia]

*headdesks at own stupidity*

You make me laugh. I make a fool of myself around you, but you're so funny that I'm okay with it.

[conuly]

1. Nah, it's late. Chalk it up to tiredness.
2. Thanks.
3. No you don't, but thanks again.

[chem-nerd.livejournal.com]

Time as we know it(minutes, hours, etc.) is a human construct. Why are we trying to define God's notion of time for Him? I'm reasonably confident that He didn't keep time by the rate of decay of a hunk of Cessium in Boulder Colorado. I'm a Christian, I believe what is written in Genesis 1. I'm also a scientist, I believe what scientific evidence tells me. Somehow, they must both be right, I'm not overly concerned about how.

[bastardsword.livejournal.com]

Sometimes, I am quite happy I live in Canada, where people trying to do this would, in all likelihood, be laughed down. (some of these are Canada-specific, some not)

1) Introducing religion to a Canadian, or any other, system would be volatile at best.
2) What about the Hindu intelligent design, with the cycles of Brahmic growth and death? etc.
3) If my bio teacher was forced to teach "And some people believe God made us all, etc. etc." she'd resist more than a bucking bronto resists the rider.
4) Too difficult to implement-- some teachers owuld ignore it, some would only do ID.
5) Goes against Canada's multiculturalism policy.
6) Any party introducing this bill might be forced to drop it from the vote if they were in power for fear of losing their government, as a wave of objections would follow it.
7) Imagine, if some school districh was smart enough to include intelligent design from all religions, how much freaking time that would take. We studied that in ENGLISH CLASS. There was an entire unit on it. This is not English class. Bio class is not here to read books and go, "Hm, y'know..."
8) Again, Canadian-centric: If you want religious education, get baptised, take a Catholic course, and go to Catholic school.
9) For more of the same sort of logic. (http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/)

I hate hate hate this logic. "Well, um, it offends people, and is secular, so, um... GOD! Yup! God's the answer!"

Same sort of argument that people say: "Christians can't pray in school anymore cause of atheists" (false, and false-- no authority led or forced prayer) or "Christians are the most persecuted group in America today." (Yes, especially as you're 80% of the population, while there is less atheists than gays in America, the Prez is as fundementalist Christian as he can get without losing every moderate.)

And about her monkey comment: All in favour or explaining self-replicating polymers in children's books, say Aye.

Well, shucks, this was long and ranty. Zorry about that.

-Kimothy

[mhari.livejournal.com]

Because the Bible never ever ever ever uses metaphors, nope.

[lakidaa.livejournal.com]

My favorite thing people say is the 'it's just a theeeeoryyyy'.

Why YES, yes it IS a theory. a SCIEN-FREAKING-TIFIC theory! so Is gravity! and all them other things! THEORY.

*sputters madly*

[conuly]

It's amazing that you actually know more about American laws than most Americans. I'm disturbed.