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And here they are!

If this isn't just the coolest thing, I don't know what is.

Date: 2004-12-27 10:02 pm (UTC)
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I'm going to have to remember that if I take up voice lessons again.

Date: 2004-12-28 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farraige.livejournal.com
American use of IPA has a few idiosyncrasies I'm personally not happy with. You lot don't stick to the actual IPA consonants as prescribed; you use "y" for voiced palatal approximant, you employ diacritics to designate voiceless post-alveolar fricatives and affricates, and... what else? I cannot see any need for this. Why not stick to IPA?

Date: 2004-12-28 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farraige.livejournal.com
>>That's the whole point of the I, isn't it?

Not to me it isn't. Alleged Internationality calls for unanimity methinks, unless the goal is to confuse everyone. To me, "y" refers to close front rounded vowel, aka Cardinal No.9.

(Roca and Johnson vs. Kenstowicz serve well for a comparison)

Date: 2004-12-28 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farraige.livejournal.com
I just did. That was wrt to Wardhaugh, right?
(just in case it didn't get posted, because I replied from my mailbox, -- we used Hudson's Sociolinguistics 2nd ed. and were actively discouraged from using Wardhaugh for reasons of the two schools being contradictory on many accounts.)

Date: 2004-12-27 10:02 pm (UTC)
hopefulnebula: Mandelbrot Set with text "You can change the world in a tiny way" (Default)
From: [personal profile] hopefulnebula
I'm going to have to remember that if I take up voice lessons again.

Date: 2004-12-28 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farraige.livejournal.com
American use of IPA has a few idiosyncrasies I'm personally not happy with. You lot don't stick to the actual IPA consonants as prescribed; you use "y" for voiced palatal approximant, you employ diacritics to designate voiceless post-alveolar fricatives and affricates, and... what else? I cannot see any need for this. Why not stick to IPA?

Date: 2004-12-28 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farraige.livejournal.com
>>That's the whole point of the I, isn't it?

Not to me it isn't. Alleged Internationality calls for unanimity methinks, unless the goal is to confuse everyone. To me, "y" refers to close front rounded vowel, aka Cardinal No.9.

(Roca and Johnson vs. Kenstowicz serve well for a comparison)

Date: 2004-12-28 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] farraige.livejournal.com
I just did. That was wrt to Wardhaugh, right?
(just in case it didn't get posted, because I replied from my mailbox, -- we used Hudson's Sociolinguistics 2nd ed. and were actively discouraged from using Wardhaugh for reasons of the two schools being contradictory on many accounts.)

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