Date: 2004-11-02 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xmorningxrosex.livejournal.com
I don't know anything about foreign colleges, but I think the weather in Canada makes me not want to be there so much, and that scenery in NZ or Australia would be nice. :\

Date: 2004-11-02 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strangelette.livejournal.com
Keep in mind that Australia is nearly as conservative leaning as the US right now.

NZ and Canada have similar politics but degrees from Canadian institutions are more recognizable and respected in the US should you ever decide to return. Couple of grad students were talking about it this afternoon - Canada has some damn fine schools and you're more likely to have your degree looked at just like a degree from a US institution. The top schools in England are like that but that tapers off once you get away from Oxford, London School of Economics, etc.

Date: 2004-11-02 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strangelette.livejournal.com
Definitely nicer - a lot of people argue the most beautiful place on Earth :) But it is distinctly far away from everything (even, say, Perth). Then again there are days when that's a big selling point too :)

Date: 2004-11-03 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
NZ has less extreme temperatures but the weather can be very changeable. It's a four seasons in one day kind of thing :p.

I've never been to college anywhere else but I'd plug NZ just because I live here and I like it :p.

Date: 2004-11-02 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feathered.livejournal.com
Probably Canada.

I'm going to start looking into Canadian schools myself in the next few days. Though I don't know if I can leave. I'm rather attached to the idea of home, even if it depresses me horribly. Even if the politics make me cry..

Date: 2004-11-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feathered.livejournal.com
By the way, I think I'll be coming to new york to visit schools the first week of february. This is tentative, but that's what may happen. I need to get in touch with the schools to see if that's okay..

Date: 2004-11-02 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiggaroo.livejournal.com
I'm going to get a radio and a canoe and escape to Saskatchewan.

Wanna come with?

Date: 2004-11-02 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] staircase-wit.livejournal.com
I'd avoid Canada, due to the human rights issues.

Date: 2004-11-02 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
What human rights issues would those be? The fact that same-sex marriage is legal? The fact that rights for gay and lesbian people, and in fact all minorities (racial, sexual)are are protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms? The fact that you can't get arrested for wearing a t-shirt with a political saying on it, as opposed to the United States where police visit you for something you wrote in your LJ?

Date: 2004-11-03 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] staircase-wit.livejournal.com
"Not With Standing" status (http://www.sentex.net/~nexus23/naa_02.html).

Date: 2004-11-03 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
I think you mean the "notwithstanding" clause. It's never been used to suspend civil rights. It actually replaced a much more repressive measure, the War Measures Act, which is sort of akin to the USA PATRIOT Act in allowing government to suspend civil rights and freedoms during a time or war or insurrection or "threatened insurrection."

The province of Alberta has threatened to use the notwithstanding clause to forbid same-sex marriages being performed in that province, but consitutional experts say it won't hold up; that's not what it was designed for.

The clause was put into the constitution to placate Quebecers who wanted to be able to opt out of federal programs. Unfortunately they seem to use it to forbid businesses from posting signs in English.

Date: 2004-11-03 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] staircase-wit.livejournal.com
Are you saying that Michelle Dawson is misrepresenting Canadian constitutional law?

Date: 2004-11-03 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parashiggy.livejournal.com
She is.

War Mesures Law was used once, in 1970, for a couple of beatnisk. This is it.

My country is the land of the snow, but, also, a land of freedom, where also can express their opinions.

Date: 2004-11-03 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
I can't comment on the specific legalities of her case, not being a lawyer. I have never had my rights denied me under the Charter or in any other case.

From what I've heard, autistics don't have it much better anywhere else in the world. Discrimination against autists seems to be systematic.

Date: 2004-11-03 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rantinan.livejournal.com
Being partisain and working for an Australian uinversity I voted Australian, even though England is alsmot certainly better.

Of course I am more than willing to help with my through knowledge of Australia npolicies, procedures an imigration laws and the like if you DO want to come here. But we're going conservative, dont doubt it for a second.

Date: 2004-11-03 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parashiggy.livejournal.com
I voted Canada, even though the French CEGEPS are FAR superior to the English colleges.

University is equal on both sides. McGill is as good as Laval...

I am not BIASED! :P

Date: 2004-11-02 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xmorningxrosex.livejournal.com
I don't know anything about foreign colleges, but I think the weather in Canada makes me not want to be there so much, and that scenery in NZ or Australia would be nice. :\

Date: 2004-11-02 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strangelette.livejournal.com
Keep in mind that Australia is nearly as conservative leaning as the US right now.

NZ and Canada have similar politics but degrees from Canadian institutions are more recognizable and respected in the US should you ever decide to return. Couple of grad students were talking about it this afternoon - Canada has some damn fine schools and you're more likely to have your degree looked at just like a degree from a US institution. The top schools in England are like that but that tapers off once you get away from Oxford, London School of Economics, etc.

Date: 2004-11-02 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strangelette.livejournal.com
Definitely nicer - a lot of people argue the most beautiful place on Earth :) But it is distinctly far away from everything (even, say, Perth). Then again there are days when that's a big selling point too :)

Date: 2004-11-03 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfster.livejournal.com
NZ has less extreme temperatures but the weather can be very changeable. It's a four seasons in one day kind of thing :p.

I've never been to college anywhere else but I'd plug NZ just because I live here and I like it :p.

Date: 2004-11-02 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feathered.livejournal.com
Probably Canada.

I'm going to start looking into Canadian schools myself in the next few days. Though I don't know if I can leave. I'm rather attached to the idea of home, even if it depresses me horribly. Even if the politics make me cry..

Date: 2004-11-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feathered.livejournal.com
By the way, I think I'll be coming to new york to visit schools the first week of february. This is tentative, but that's what may happen. I need to get in touch with the schools to see if that's okay..

Date: 2004-11-02 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xiggaroo.livejournal.com
I'm going to get a radio and a canoe and escape to Saskatchewan.

Wanna come with?

Date: 2004-11-02 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] staircase-wit.livejournal.com
I'd avoid Canada, due to the human rights issues.

Date: 2004-11-02 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
What human rights issues would those be? The fact that same-sex marriage is legal? The fact that rights for gay and lesbian people, and in fact all minorities (racial, sexual)are are protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms? The fact that you can't get arrested for wearing a t-shirt with a political saying on it, as opposed to the United States where police visit you for something you wrote in your LJ?

Date: 2004-11-03 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] staircase-wit.livejournal.com
"Not With Standing" status (http://www.sentex.net/~nexus23/naa_02.html).

Date: 2004-11-03 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
I think you mean the "notwithstanding" clause. It's never been used to suspend civil rights. It actually replaced a much more repressive measure, the War Measures Act, which is sort of akin to the USA PATRIOT Act in allowing government to suspend civil rights and freedoms during a time or war or insurrection or "threatened insurrection."

The province of Alberta has threatened to use the notwithstanding clause to forbid same-sex marriages being performed in that province, but consitutional experts say it won't hold up; that's not what it was designed for.

The clause was put into the constitution to placate Quebecers who wanted to be able to opt out of federal programs. Unfortunately they seem to use it to forbid businesses from posting signs in English.

Date: 2004-11-03 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] staircase-wit.livejournal.com
Are you saying that Michelle Dawson is misrepresenting Canadian constitutional law?

Date: 2004-11-03 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parashiggy.livejournal.com
She is.

War Mesures Law was used once, in 1970, for a couple of beatnisk. This is it.

My country is the land of the snow, but, also, a land of freedom, where also can express their opinions.

Date: 2004-11-03 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
I can't comment on the specific legalities of her case, not being a lawyer. I have never had my rights denied me under the Charter or in any other case.

From what I've heard, autistics don't have it much better anywhere else in the world. Discrimination against autists seems to be systematic.

Date: 2004-11-03 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rantinan.livejournal.com
Being partisain and working for an Australian uinversity I voted Australian, even though England is alsmot certainly better.

Of course I am more than willing to help with my through knowledge of Australia npolicies, procedures an imigration laws and the like if you DO want to come here. But we're going conservative, dont doubt it for a second.

Date: 2004-11-03 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parashiggy.livejournal.com
I voted Canada, even though the French CEGEPS are FAR superior to the English colleges.

University is equal on both sides. McGill is as good as Laval...

I am not BIASED! :P

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