All my patriot act ranting reminded me...
Nov. 10th, 2003 07:08 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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Saw this in a tabloid. Apparently, Osama bin Ladin's cronies have cloned Hitler. This could, of course, prove disastrous for us (the US).
Seriously, we all know the tabloids don't concern themselves with such petty things as, y'know, the truth, but this is sillier than usual. So silly, in fact, that I feel like listing some silly things about it!
1. Obviously, we don't have that sort of cloning capability. Okay, sure, that's a detail one can easily overlook when writing for a tabloid, but I felt I should mention it.
1a. We don't have enough GOOD QUALITY Hitler genes. Sorry
1b. Even if we could clone the guy, he'd still be an infant. Yeah, a baby, huge threat to the Western world. Right
2. Okay, so, he's cloned. Let's get this all cleared up. Hitler wasn't born evil. To say that is, in part, to absolve him of his crimes. He wasn't some monster, he was human, and he made choices every day which led him down the path he took. He is guilty of what he did, which would not be the case if he had just been born evil, and therefore not in control of his actions.
That said, there's no need to believe that a cloned Hitler would be evil. Perhaps, given the proper education, no anti-Semitic brainwashing, and a decent art scholarship, he would've been a sweet guy who loved fluffy bunnies. Unlikely, but hey, who knows?
3. Okay, so now we're believing in an adult Hitler who is just as evil as the first one. Once we've gone that far, his beliefs *must* mirror the beliefs of the original, mustn't they? How, exactly, does al-Qaeda benefit by having this white supremacist in its group? No, sorry, not a white supremacist, an Aryan, by which he meant GERMAN supremacist. I can see how this is an asset. Really. *rolls her eyes*
4. Finally, once all is said in done, let's be blunt. Despite his evilness (and not in the good sense, remember!), Hitler wasn't exactly a brilliant tactician. I mean, this was the guy who thought he could outmaneuver Napoleon.
Final assessment: This cloned Hitler is no threat.
Besides... If fundamentalist Muslims were gonna clone someone, it wouldn't be an infidel, it would be Mohammed or something, doncha think?
Seriously, we all know the tabloids don't concern themselves with such petty things as, y'know, the truth, but this is sillier than usual. So silly, in fact, that I feel like listing some silly things about it!
1. Obviously, we don't have that sort of cloning capability. Okay, sure, that's a detail one can easily overlook when writing for a tabloid, but I felt I should mention it.
1a. We don't have enough GOOD QUALITY Hitler genes. Sorry
1b. Even if we could clone the guy, he'd still be an infant. Yeah, a baby, huge threat to the Western world. Right
2. Okay, so, he's cloned. Let's get this all cleared up. Hitler wasn't born evil. To say that is, in part, to absolve him of his crimes. He wasn't some monster, he was human, and he made choices every day which led him down the path he took. He is guilty of what he did, which would not be the case if he had just been born evil, and therefore not in control of his actions.
That said, there's no need to believe that a cloned Hitler would be evil. Perhaps, given the proper education, no anti-Semitic brainwashing, and a decent art scholarship, he would've been a sweet guy who loved fluffy bunnies. Unlikely, but hey, who knows?
3. Okay, so now we're believing in an adult Hitler who is just as evil as the first one. Once we've gone that far, his beliefs *must* mirror the beliefs of the original, mustn't they? How, exactly, does al-Qaeda benefit by having this white supremacist in its group? No, sorry, not a white supremacist, an Aryan, by which he meant GERMAN supremacist. I can see how this is an asset. Really. *rolls her eyes*
4. Finally, once all is said in done, let's be blunt. Despite his evilness (and not in the good sense, remember!), Hitler wasn't exactly a brilliant tactician. I mean, this was the guy who thought he could outmaneuver Napoleon.
Final assessment: This cloned Hitler is no threat.
Besides... If fundamentalist Muslims were gonna clone someone, it wouldn't be an infidel, it would be Mohammed or something, doncha think?
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Date: 2003-11-10 04:39 pm (UTC)Boys of Brazil baby. Go read it if you want some more Hitler clonage. There's like, 90 of them running around.
*coughs, goes back to not existing. really.*
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Date: 2003-11-10 05:11 pm (UTC)*quotes*
Bad! Bad! Evil! Evil! You're a bunch of stupid people!
*gigglesnorts*
Seriously, post away, I don't mind a'tall.
The difference between Boys of Brazil and the tabloid is that the Boys of Brazil weren't muslim fundamentalists. I believe that's a bit critical. But, obviously, in the universe tabloid writers work, if Osama = evil and Hitler = evil, Osama+Hitler = WHOLE LOTTA EVIL, BABY!
This is in stark contrast to history. Observe:
Stalin = evil
Hitler = evil
Stalin+Hitler = HUGEASS LANDWAR! Another victory for the Rooshin Vinter!
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Date: 2003-11-10 05:46 pm (UTC)And critical though the difference may be, that's what I think of when I hear about Hitler clones.
The very idea of Hitler working for Muslim fundies amuses me. He was actually a smart man, and quite charismatic (as many "bad guys" are). I don't remember what it was that drove him absolutely insane, but I think it was being a soldier in some war or other (he went blind twice... no clue why I remember that. Just do). And yes, as you said, Hitler clone would be a baby and not a psychopath.
My favorite tabloid piece was about Batboy fighting in Irag and taking a bite out of Hussein. THAT was gold.
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Date: 2003-11-10 05:52 pm (UTC)1. His involvement, as you have said, in the first world war
2. His subsequent involvement in various "ethnic pride" groups....
3. His abusive father (not sure if that is factual, have heard of it as an influence, though
4. The fact that his given name was not Hitler but Schikelgruber. No joke. That'd be enough to warp anyone *stops joking, it's just not funny*
5. His losing out on an art scholarship many times in Vienna. Well, okay, that's not enough to make him evil, but it didn't help.
The correct word is sociopath, not psychopath, and I believe people consider it to be induced by severe abuse as a child (generally) so no, he wouldn't be one. Well, not yet.
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Date: 2003-11-10 09:23 pm (UTC)I have got to stop commenting gratuitously in Connie's lj.
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Date: 2003-11-10 09:25 pm (UTC)Why?
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Date: 2003-11-10 09:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-11 02:41 am (UTC)It's a good book, and I've run into the same problem with books. I've got a very large pile, topped by Sirens of Titan.
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Date: 2003-11-10 04:39 pm (UTC)Boys of Brazil baby. Go read it if you want some more Hitler clonage. There's like, 90 of them running around.
*coughs, goes back to not existing. really.*
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Date: 2003-11-10 05:11 pm (UTC)*quotes*
Bad! Bad! Evil! Evil! You're a bunch of stupid people!
*gigglesnorts*
Seriously, post away, I don't mind a'tall.
The difference between Boys of Brazil and the tabloid is that the Boys of Brazil weren't muslim fundamentalists. I believe that's a bit critical. But, obviously, in the universe tabloid writers work, if Osama = evil and Hitler = evil, Osama+Hitler = WHOLE LOTTA EVIL, BABY!
This is in stark contrast to history. Observe:
Stalin = evil
Hitler = evil
Stalin+Hitler = HUGEASS LANDWAR! Another victory for the Rooshin Vinter!
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Date: 2003-11-10 05:46 pm (UTC)And critical though the difference may be, that's what I think of when I hear about Hitler clones.
The very idea of Hitler working for Muslim fundies amuses me. He was actually a smart man, and quite charismatic (as many "bad guys" are). I don't remember what it was that drove him absolutely insane, but I think it was being a soldier in some war or other (he went blind twice... no clue why I remember that. Just do). And yes, as you said, Hitler clone would be a baby and not a psychopath.
My favorite tabloid piece was about Batboy fighting in Irag and taking a bite out of Hussein. THAT was gold.
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Date: 2003-11-10 05:52 pm (UTC)1. His involvement, as you have said, in the first world war
2. His subsequent involvement in various "ethnic pride" groups....
3. His abusive father (not sure if that is factual, have heard of it as an influence, though
4. The fact that his given name was not Hitler but Schikelgruber. No joke. That'd be enough to warp anyone *stops joking, it's just not funny*
5. His losing out on an art scholarship many times in Vienna. Well, okay, that's not enough to make him evil, but it didn't help.
The correct word is sociopath, not psychopath, and I believe people consider it to be induced by severe abuse as a child (generally) so no, he wouldn't be one. Well, not yet.
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Date: 2003-11-10 09:23 pm (UTC)I have got to stop commenting gratuitously in Connie's lj.
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Date: 2003-11-10 09:25 pm (UTC)Why?
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Date: 2003-11-10 09:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-11 02:41 am (UTC)It's a good book, and I've run into the same problem with books. I've got a very large pile, topped by Sirens of Titan.