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Jul. 1st, 2004 06:42 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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Blatant propaganda against gay marriage
I'll look at the sample ad later (note these people are AGAINST those losers) and deconstruct it logically.
Text of ad: "Why Don't [Ohio] Senators DeWine and Voinovich Believe Every Child Needs a Mother and a Father?
This is about gay marriage. Not gay adoption. Adoption by gays seems to be legal in Ohio, so it's a moot point.
"Unless the Senate passes the Federal Marriage Amendment, homosexual marriage could be coming to Ohio-and sooner than you think.
And I always thought conservatives were about state's rights. Gay marriage would only be allowed in Ohio if and only if the Ohio state legislature allowed it. They don't need a change on the federal level to allow that. Yes, I realize that if the law on the federal level said that all states had to recognize gay marriage, Ohio would have to as well, but that's not the issue at stake here.
Here's the bottom line: homosexual marriage intentionally creates fatherless families or motherless families. Think about it.
No, it doesn't. Single people can adopt in Ohio. Gay men in Ohio can, apparently, adopt. Marriage has nothing to do with it. Newsflash, gay people generally don't have kids with their partners. Not biologically, anyway.
I'm having too much fun with this statement. Let's see if I can pull up Ohio's divorce rates. Hm. I can't find the divorce rates for Ohio alone, but for the nation it seems to be hovering at around 50%. It's trite, I know, but isn't it a little hypocritical to obsess over gay marriage and NOT the staggeringly high divorce rate? I won't even get into the number of children being born out of wedlock. THIS creates far more "motherless" and "fatherless" children than gay marriage ever will.
"Ohio's senators have said nice things about marriage. But so far they won't take the one step that will save it. They won't support the Federal Marriage Amendment. We thought you would like to know.
Maybe they don't support the Federal Marriage Amendment because it's unjust?
"Every child understands how important a mom and a dad are.
Every child. Really. You've interviewed EVERY child. Even those who grow up on kibbutzim, and don't live with their parents? Even those who grow up in societies where your parents don't get married, but you live with your mother, and her mother, and HER mother, all your life? Even those who have two gay parents, and are growing up happy? And those who have two straight parents who are abusive, or always fighting?
Help make your senators as smart as a kid. Pick up the phone and tell their staffs you support the Federal Marriage Amendment, and they should too."
I will do no such thing. You have yet to convince me. You don't even offer anything remotely resembling proof for ANY of your statements. Try again, this time with evidence.
I'll look at the sample ad later (note these people are AGAINST those losers) and deconstruct it logically.
Text of ad: "Why Don't [Ohio] Senators DeWine and Voinovich Believe Every Child Needs a Mother and a Father?
This is about gay marriage. Not gay adoption. Adoption by gays seems to be legal in Ohio, so it's a moot point.
"Unless the Senate passes the Federal Marriage Amendment, homosexual marriage could be coming to Ohio-and sooner than you think.
And I always thought conservatives were about state's rights. Gay marriage would only be allowed in Ohio if and only if the Ohio state legislature allowed it. They don't need a change on the federal level to allow that. Yes, I realize that if the law on the federal level said that all states had to recognize gay marriage, Ohio would have to as well, but that's not the issue at stake here.
Here's the bottom line: homosexual marriage intentionally creates fatherless families or motherless families. Think about it.
No, it doesn't. Single people can adopt in Ohio. Gay men in Ohio can, apparently, adopt. Marriage has nothing to do with it. Newsflash, gay people generally don't have kids with their partners. Not biologically, anyway.
I'm having too much fun with this statement. Let's see if I can pull up Ohio's divorce rates. Hm. I can't find the divorce rates for Ohio alone, but for the nation it seems to be hovering at around 50%. It's trite, I know, but isn't it a little hypocritical to obsess over gay marriage and NOT the staggeringly high divorce rate? I won't even get into the number of children being born out of wedlock. THIS creates far more "motherless" and "fatherless" children than gay marriage ever will.
"Ohio's senators have said nice things about marriage. But so far they won't take the one step that will save it. They won't support the Federal Marriage Amendment. We thought you would like to know.
Maybe they don't support the Federal Marriage Amendment because it's unjust?
"Every child understands how important a mom and a dad are.
Every child. Really. You've interviewed EVERY child. Even those who grow up on kibbutzim, and don't live with their parents? Even those who grow up in societies where your parents don't get married, but you live with your mother, and her mother, and HER mother, all your life? Even those who have two gay parents, and are growing up happy? And those who have two straight parents who are abusive, or always fighting?
Help make your senators as smart as a kid. Pick up the phone and tell their staffs you support the Federal Marriage Amendment, and they should too."
I will do no such thing. You have yet to convince me. You don't even offer anything remotely resembling proof for ANY of your statements. Try again, this time with evidence.
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Date: 2004-07-01 06:07 pm (UTC)I don't understand this belief that single parents can't raise a child (and in extension, gay parents). Plenty of people are raised by one parent, and they don't have a higher pecentage of "fucked upness" than people with two, hetero parents of the same background. Especially after watching him raise his daughter (he's the only first hand single parent I know-- and he's a damn good parent). I don't believe all the people that tell him he needs a wife, that his daughter will be maladjusted and a (oh woe!) a lesbian because she has a male role model!
From where I'm standing she's perfectly well-adjusted, doesn't try to pee standing up, and is perfectly aware that she's a girl and doesn't deserve to be given crap because of it.
Sorry. That is just such a pet peeve of mine. I have yet to see any evidence that you need a "standard" family to grow up right.
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Date: 2004-07-01 07:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-07-01 09:08 pm (UTC)*Lamest argument ever.
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Date: 2004-07-01 11:33 pm (UTC)My parents are divorced. Is that the root of all my problems? I'm going to go with no on that one.
What I really don't understand is how keeping a whole group of people from being able to marry those they love defends marriage. Isn't that an attack on marriage? Isn't marriage supposed to be about love?
Also (I know it wasn't mentioned in this ad), I do not see the validity of backing up a political argument with statements from the bible. Not everyone in america is christian. We don't all follow the bible, mkay? And that doesn't make us amoral, either.
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Date: 2004-07-01 06:07 pm (UTC)I don't understand this belief that single parents can't raise a child (and in extension, gay parents). Plenty of people are raised by one parent, and they don't have a higher pecentage of "fucked upness" than people with two, hetero parents of the same background. Especially after watching him raise his daughter (he's the only first hand single parent I know-- and he's a damn good parent). I don't believe all the people that tell him he needs a wife, that his daughter will be maladjusted and a (oh woe!) a lesbian because she has a male role model!
From where I'm standing she's perfectly well-adjusted, doesn't try to pee standing up, and is perfectly aware that she's a girl and doesn't deserve to be given crap because of it.
Sorry. That is just such a pet peeve of mine. I have yet to see any evidence that you need a "standard" family to grow up right.
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Date: 2004-07-01 07:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2004-07-01 09:08 pm (UTC)*Lamest argument ever.
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Date: 2004-07-01 11:33 pm (UTC)My parents are divorced. Is that the root of all my problems? I'm going to go with no on that one.
What I really don't understand is how keeping a whole group of people from being able to marry those they love defends marriage. Isn't that an attack on marriage? Isn't marriage supposed to be about love?
Also (I know it wasn't mentioned in this ad), I do not see the validity of backing up a political argument with statements from the bible. Not everyone in america is christian. We don't all follow the bible, mkay? And that doesn't make us amoral, either.
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