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Or the lack thereof.

Now, every time it comes up about people not having this type of playground equipment or that type of playground equipment in their area, it's all "oh, oh, oversafety".

And I have no doubt that misguided safety concerns lead to the boringification of many playgrounds. (REALLY misguided safety concerns. If you make the playground "safe", kids just play less safely, resulting in a net loss of, well, safety.)

But this specific person complained that playgrounds in preschools near her were cramped and small... and also, lacked swings. If they're small and cramped, they probably don't have room for swings. Swings require a lot of space, and only a few children can use them at any one time. If you're short on space, better to use something that many children can play on at once, and that allows for greater scope in play.

Especially in a preschool, where having swings means you need people to help the children on the swings.

At any rate, the conversation revealed something interesting. I mentioned, after several comments about kids running in front of swings and getting bonked in the head, that I thought that sounded just weird. Don't all swingsets in playgrounds have fences around them to prevent this from happening?

Apparently not, and many people said they'd never seen such a thing. Which strikes me, like I said, as weird. It's the norm, possibly even the law for NYC playgrounds! What's it like where you are?

Also on that blog is this link on lunchtime notes. Now, it's always amused me that whenever it's something that the person in question did as a kid or does with their kids it's quite all right, but when it's something Those Other Folks do it's a sign of the apocalypse.

And this can go both ways. Class birthday parties are anti-free range and spoiling children because GOD, can't kids go on in the school day without that silliness? Not having class birthday parties is anti-free range and cruel to children because GOD, did it ever hurt any of us? Leashes are cruel and restrictive. Hand-holding is cruel and restrictive. Teaching your kid to stand by your side is cruel and restrictive. Letting your child run around is cruel to everybody else and stupid. And don't get me started on Santa.

No, no matter what position you commonly take in whatever broader argument you're currently fighting, any individual child-raising practice can be neatly slotted in on your side or theirs, and extolled or demonized as you see fit.

In this case, notes in lunchboxes (except very rarely) are hovering and helicopterish.

Now, I agree, that the pre-printed notes mentioned are sappy and dumb. It's a lunchbox note, not an affirmation. Sending in a note saying "I love you unconditionally" is a good way to get your kid teased, and sending in a note saying that that you purchased ready-made is a good way to confuse your child. "Dad loves me, but not enough to write four words on a piece of paper?"

But I don't think that writing a note, even daily, is going to warp your child's individuality. I mean, it's not like they're bringing their kids home every day for an hour-long lunch with Mom, a newfangled idea that my mother grew up with. Oh. Wait. Right! Lunchbox notes are hovering and unprecedented, but much greater parental involvement at lunch in the past goes unmentioned, probably because it doesn't fit in with this image.

Date: 2011-10-08 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cumaeansibyl.livejournal.com
They put fences in front of swingsets now?

Yeah, I grew up in a dangerous time.

Date: 2011-10-08 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cumaeansibyl.livejournal.com
This may be one of many examples of trends not reaching the Midwest until long after they've been established elsewhere. The swingsets of my childhood definitely didn't have fences, and I'm thinking that lasted at least until 1994.

Date: 2011-10-08 07:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cumaeansibyl.livejournal.com
I should go investigate local playgrounds/swing on their swingsets, y/n?

Date: 2011-10-08 07:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cumaeansibyl.livejournal.com
I'm a lady, so they should be fine with me, right? I'm obviously a barren woman longing for children of my own, but as long as I'm not ogling pregnant ladies' bellies, I'm not dangerous.

Or I'll be swinging on the swings because damn it, I haven't had swingset time for like ten years and I want some.

Date: 2011-10-08 08:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tsukikage85.livejournal.com
"I'm obviously a barren woman longing for children of my own, but as long as I'm not ogling pregnant ladies' bellies, I'm not dangerous." <3

Date: 2011-10-08 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
You might be disappointed - playground swings these days are much narrower than they used to be; they're all sling-type rather than board-type, and adult female hips don't fit comfortably into them. Standing up on them is right out, of course.

LOL, I'm obviously a grandma, or more precisely a pre-grandma, longing for grandchildren of my own, so I am free to ogle pregnant ladies' bellies as much as I want.

Date: 2011-10-09 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
It's really sad to think how there are fewer and fewer of us left who know how to pump standing up two to a swing. Even if we still had board seats, most swingsets these days are so short that it wouldn't be worth it.

*sigh* I remember the best-ever swing, tied far out on a high, high branch, with a big wide board - once I got it up to full swing (standing up of course) I could also get it spinning. I spent hours and hours of my last two years of high school on that swing.

They can boringify all the playgrounds, but there's always gonna be trees, ropes, and adventurous young engineers to put them together in creatively perilous ways.

Date: 2011-10-08 12:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
The trick is to go during off hours when there are no children there: then all you get is stared at by other adults who think you're not being adequately grown-up.

Fortified swingsets?

Date: 2011-10-09 01:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
Not around here. Not in the 80s, not today.

And earlier this year we were on a picnic and there was a wooden playset/jungle gym/etc. assemblage--the swings were not fenced off, and the slings were fine for my somewhat-larger-than-average hips. (The slide was a little flimsy, though I could find no weight limits printed on the labels.)

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