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Even though it reads like it is.

It literally has to be read to be believed, and maybe not even then. I'm going to go ahead and bold the actual quotes that made me simultaneously laugh and weep.

‘Haboobs’ Stir Critics in Arizona
By MARC LACEY

PHOENIX — The massive dust storms that swept through central Arizona this month have stirred up not just clouds of sand but a debate over what to call them.

The blinding waves of brown particles, the most recent of which hit Phoenix on Monday, are caused by thunderstorms that emit gusts of wind, roiling the desert landscape. Use of the term “haboob,” which is what such storms have long been called in the Middle East, has rubbed some Arizona residents the wrong way.

“I am insulted that local TV news crews are now calling this kind of storm a haboob,” Don Yonts, a resident of Gilbert, Ariz., wrote to The Arizona Republic after a particularly fierce, mile-high dust storm swept through the state on July 5. “How do they think our soldiers feel coming back to Arizona and hearing some Middle Eastern term?”

Diane Robinson of Wickenburg, Ariz., agreed, saying the state’s dust storms are unique and ought to be labeled as such.

“Excuse me, Mr. Weatherman!” she said in a letter to the editor. “Who gave you the right to use the word ‘haboob’ in describing our recent dust storm? While you may think there are similarities, don’t forget that in these parts our dust is mixed with the whoop of the Indian’s dance, the progression of the cattle herd and warning of the rattlesnake as it lifts its head to strike.”

Dust storms are a regular summer phenomenon in Arizona, and the news media typically label them as nothing more than that. But the National Weather Service, in describing this month’s particularly thick storm, used the term haboob, which was widely picked up by the news media.

“Meteorologists in the Southwest have used the term for decades,” said Randy Cerveny, a climatologist at Arizona State University. “The media usually avoid it because they don’t think anyone will understand it.”

Not everyone was put out by the use of the term. David Wilson of Goodyear, Ariz., said those who wanted to avoid Arabic terms should steer clear of algebra, zero, pajamas and khaki, as well. “Let’s not become so ‘xenophobic’ that we forget to remember that we are citizens of the world, nor fail to recognize the contributions of all cultures to the richness of our language,” he wrote.

Although use of the term often brings smirks, Mr. Cerveny said the walls of dust could have serious consequences, toppling power lines and causing huge traffic accidents. Although ultradry conditions in the desert are considered one cause for the intensity of this year’s storms, Mr. Cerveny pointed to another possible factor: the housing bust that left developments half-finished and unmaintained, creating more desert dust to be stirred up.


I'm not sure which quote is more offensive and, frankly, stupid. Let's have a poll!

Poll #7578 Offensive quotes
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 9


Which quote is worst?

View Answers

Mr. "Our soldiers are too wussy for words! Really!"
3 (33.3%)

Ms. "Indians! Rattlesnakes! Cattle! You don't have rights to the language you speak, because I don't believe in freedom of speech!"
6 (66.7%)



I'm guessing that these people not only never drink... alcohol, they also don't use the common terms for geographical structures such as mesas.

If some of these folks succeed in getting the cash to build a wall, can we build it around THEM personally and claim it's keeping the rest of the world out rather than keeping them in?

Date: 2011-07-23 07:37 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mc776
While both express failures of critical thought that defy explanation by science to the point where I am forced to acknowledge the intervention of an omnipotent, omniscient and omnimalevolent Creator, I must pick the first, simply because the second at least suggests an effort to respect something a bit beyond the speaker's own narrow little world (not that my own is much bigger in my old age, mind), and is slightly less hideously wrong considering that this word may well be becoming more common in English because of American soldiers returning from their Mideast tours (linking for comments).

EDIT: That and I read her quote as being mere hyperbole, or non-legally-binding "moral" right, rather than an actual call for censorship.

EDIT2: It seems odd for something dry and cutting like a sandstorm to be given a name that is literally "Boobah" backwards. But these are the words of someone living in pretty much as not a desert as you can possibly get in human-habitable lands, so I have no personal experience of this sort of storm and it might well be fitting.
Edited Date: 2011-07-23 07:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-07-23 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
Why how shocking! Excuse me while I go back to my hot dog and freedom fries.

Date: 2011-07-23 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ihcoyc.livejournal.com
There's a dust bowl coming. We argue about what to call it.

Thank you, Almighty Lord, for I know your judgments are righteous and true, and that this nation deserves them.

Date: 2011-07-23 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
I've lived in southern Arizona for 9 years and I don't remember ever hearing the term. So either they used it and I glossed over it because I didn't know what it meant, or they weren't using it in the media. I certainly didn't sit around feeling offended and confused that someone used a foreign word I didn't know. Plus, I can't believe that the people of Southern Arizona are offended by a foreign word, when half the streets and restaurants in the area are Spanish words/names. Well, I CAN believe it, but I think the people who are upset are probably all white and mostly old. Yes, I'm stereotyping. It sounds like something my grandpa would get upset about. He complained one time about "the Mexicans" at the emergency room getting treated before he did (they arrived first but he is sure they were illegal immigrants, and at the very least they were obviously not of European descent and therefore sub-human). Ugh.

As for the dust storms again, last year a dust storm caused a 60+ car pile up on the freeway, with some fatalities (a teenage brother and a sister died together, and a father in a truck rear-ended his son in another vehicle and killed his son). They can get really bad and are dangerous. It's ridiculous that what to call it is the focus. Our state is a special snowflake dust devil and can't share a name with anyone else. Next we're going to be calling hurricanes something else because "it's different when it strikes AMERICAN soil."

Date: 2011-07-23 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
I sincerely apologize for earlier in the year when my state was hit by a tsunami. Clearly we should not have used the word "tsunami", which is foreign in origin. We were a bit busy being preoccupied with other concerns, even though we were hit far, far more lightly than Japan was.
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Date: 2011-07-23 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
Exactly. A haboob is a dust storm, but not all dust storms are haboobs.

“How do they think our soldiers feel coming back to Arizona and hearing some Middle Eastern term?” Who does she suppose brings back foreign words to America in the first place?



Date: 2011-07-23 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
... okay, good answer; she probably does suppose that, even though it's an illogical supposition. Any terrorists in this country are in hiding, right? Aren't they trying to 'pass' as law-abiding 100% American citizens, or at least Americanized guests, as un-foreign-seeming as possible so as not to be suspected?

Especially in places like Arizona, sheesh! Wouldn't surprise me if some of the fundamentalist Christian cults believe that the evil Muslim terrorists are invoking demonic djinni to cause the big dust storms. That's illogical too, because if one can invoke djinni, why would one have them waste their time spinning up dust storms in the middle of the mostly-empty Southwest desert, when they could just as well go knock out a bunch of air traffic control towers? but it still wouldn't surprise me.

Date: 2011-07-23 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
"it's English, for crying out loud! Stealing words is what we do!"

Hear, hear!

If haboob means a specific kind of particularly dangerous dust storm, like williwaw means a specific kind of particularly dangerous gale, then it makes perfect sense to steal the word, even if it never rows popular in common parlance. English has lots of useful but seldom-used specific words for things about which most people feel no need to be all that secific.

Date: 2011-07-24 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eofs.livejournal.com
he is sure they were illegal immigrants, and at the very least they were obviously not of European descent

Have you ever pointed out Spain on a map to him?

Date: 2011-07-24 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sayga.livejournal.com
Haha. Exactly. I did mean Northern European (and probably should've said Scandinavian). What my grandpa is looking for is white white, and despite HIM being white and having black hair, if anyone else does, they're probably Mexicans. (To him. I hope my sarcasm and disdain for this attitude comes through clearly enough to show I think he's being awful).

Date: 2011-07-25 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
My half Belgian-American, half Native Alaskan housemate frequently gets mistaken for a Mexican. The whole 'racial profiling' thing is just stupid, because apparently NO one can accurately identify the national origins of people with tan to brown skin and dark-brown to black hair, who are the majority of people on the planet.

*shrugs* My father, rest his intransigent soul, either thought all male figure-skaters were gay, or pretended to think so for the purpose of yanking peoples' chains. Old guys are like that sometimes; best is just to feign temporary deafness.

Date: 2011-07-23 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironychan.livejournal.com
My first thought? "Heh heh heh, it has the word 'boob' in it!" It seems on some leve, I'm still twelve.

Date: 2011-07-23 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Monsoon. Typhoon. Hurricane.

Date: 2011-07-24 05:39 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pne.livejournal.com
The first two aren't used to discuss weather conditions affecting the US, though, are they?

Date: 2011-07-24 05:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
True, except monsoon is used in Indiana to describe the The Rains Came rains we get there; the genuine article occur throughout the Southwest.

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