"I'm not an artist".
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Back when I was sitting in Ana's class, her teacher mentioned that she at times illustrates concepts with drawings, and she showed us an example with the caveat that "I'm not an artist, so...." and said she says that when she draws for the kids.
Funny thing, Ana's teacher last year said the same thing.
This kinda bugged me, but I couldn't work out why so I kept my mouth shut. (Given the conversation on competition that transpired later, that's probably just as well.) Now, after a lot of thought, I think I've worked out why.
I'm sure that people saying this to kids are trying to convey a message along the lines of "It doesn't have to be perfect, see? You can make mistakes!" This isn't exactly the same as the same words spoken in normal life, which self-consciously mean more like "Don't make fun of me", but the idea that people might make fun of you is there, isn't it?
But anyway, they want to tell kids not to beat themselves up if it's not perfect, and on the face of it that's a fine message, but I think they're going about it the wrong way, because there's two - well, three if you count "don't make fun of me" - messages there. And the underlying one is...
Well, let's tangent a second.
You all know sometimes I like to hang out on Amazon and make fun of the more thuddingly dull reviewers, right? The ones who want their children to be ignorant of the word "ain't" or "hate" or "stupid" or "butt", the ones who more or less outright state that a book without an explicit moral or educational meaning is worthless, the ones who think that showing bad behavior is the same as endorsing bad behavior? (Some of these people? I think they just don't like books. But that's a post for another day.)
Well, if possible, they also dislike the artwork. Or, as they say, the "art". "My kid could draw this picture!" or "Everybody knows pigeons don't have long necks!" for Mo Willems becomes "A five year old could do this picture!" for "The Hello Goodbye Window". (Incidentally? Happening to have an interracial family != propaganda. Thanks.)
Jan Brett doesn't get this criticism, which gives me a good basis of comparison.
And it took me some time, but I think I have "the rules of art" for us all. (These aren't the rules that involve naked ladies and plinths, they're the rules that involve art and "I'm not an artist". Don't get your hopes too far up!)
1. Art is HARD. If it doesn't look hard, it's not art. If I could put tracing paper over it and copy it, it's not art. If I think I've ever seen anything remotely similar to it made by my own hand, it's not art.
2. Art is representational. Period.
2a. Since art is representational, anybody choosing to do a picture with people or things in it that isn't exactly like what I pictured in my head has to have done it because of lack of skill, rather than through stylistic choice. There are few, if any, valid options for making art less representational, and those options are probably ugly.
3. Art is USUALLY better when it has details. Otherwise, I can't tell if you chose to have empty space to make a point, or if you just were too lazy to draw anymore. It's possible for a picture with space to be good. It's never possible for a picture to look too cluttered. Less is not more.
4. Comics aren't art, and they sure ain't literature. But that goes without saying. Also? Don't say ain't. EVER.
I think there's some rules for being an artist as well:
1. If you aren't trying to make a living on your art, you're not an artist.
2. Then again, if you're trying AND FAILING, you may be an artist. Unless you just suck.
3. If you draw (or whatever) something and it's not PERFECT, you're not an artist.
4. Art is a talent, and there's no way to improve it, see rule 3.
Of course this is all a load of unmitigated crap. Stinky, disgusting, barely-solid crap on your shoe.
All those people saying "My five year old could have done this!!" may be right - maybe if you gave them some tracing paper and a pencil they could copy the image. Maybe with time they could do it EVERY time, sure, why not? I doubt they really could be consistent in whatever style we're talking about, but let's run with that.
Who cares? There's more to art than just having accurate drawings to scale. Mo Willems got his Caldecotts not through having accurate, detailed, "beautiful" pictures; but through having pictures that are funny and that accurately capture the *mood* of his characters. (And I've heard that he's made a conscious decision to have his artwork look like a kid could do it in order to make his audience relate to it more easily. If true, that argument is blown right out of the water anyway.) Kevin Henkes got a Caldecott for The Hello Goodbye Window because his pictures, though "messy", reflect the genuine warmth between grandrelations. David Shannon's illustrations strike me as appallingly ugly, but a lot of kids really dig them; and Jazz Baby? Dude, I love that book and I think the people have incredibly misshapen heads. I ignore it, though, because I also think that the pictures sing and dance on their own when the book is shut. They're not even remotely "accurate"... but they are. They're accurate to the words and the feelings. It's like a quote I read on metaphors: "There's true, and there's true. I've never seen the wind run, but the horse still ran like the wind".
And how this all relates to the teachers who "aren't artists"? Well, when they say that they think they just mean "It's okay not to be perfect", but what they're SAYing is that there's some form of "perfect" to begin with. They're reinforcing all that nonsense I just said up above, that art is a talent, that it all depends on doing pictures that look the same as the outside reality and have some appropriate level of detail (stick figures don't count), that most people aren't gonna be able to do that.
And that's just not an accurate representation of the world as we know it.
Funny thing, Ana's teacher last year said the same thing.
This kinda bugged me, but I couldn't work out why so I kept my mouth shut. (Given the conversation on competition that transpired later, that's probably just as well.) Now, after a lot of thought, I think I've worked out why.
I'm sure that people saying this to kids are trying to convey a message along the lines of "It doesn't have to be perfect, see? You can make mistakes!" This isn't exactly the same as the same words spoken in normal life, which self-consciously mean more like "Don't make fun of me", but the idea that people might make fun of you is there, isn't it?
But anyway, they want to tell kids not to beat themselves up if it's not perfect, and on the face of it that's a fine message, but I think they're going about it the wrong way, because there's two - well, three if you count "don't make fun of me" - messages there. And the underlying one is...
Well, let's tangent a second.
You all know sometimes I like to hang out on Amazon and make fun of the more thuddingly dull reviewers, right? The ones who want their children to be ignorant of the word "ain't" or "hate" or "stupid" or "butt", the ones who more or less outright state that a book without an explicit moral or educational meaning is worthless, the ones who think that showing bad behavior is the same as endorsing bad behavior? (Some of these people? I think they just don't like books. But that's a post for another day.)
Well, if possible, they also dislike the artwork. Or, as they say, the "art". "My kid could draw this picture!" or "Everybody knows pigeons don't have long necks!" for Mo Willems becomes "A five year old could do this picture!" for "The Hello Goodbye Window". (Incidentally? Happening to have an interracial family != propaganda. Thanks.)
Jan Brett doesn't get this criticism, which gives me a good basis of comparison.
And it took me some time, but I think I have "the rules of art" for us all. (These aren't the rules that involve naked ladies and plinths, they're the rules that involve art and "I'm not an artist". Don't get your hopes too far up!)
1. Art is HARD. If it doesn't look hard, it's not art. If I could put tracing paper over it and copy it, it's not art. If I think I've ever seen anything remotely similar to it made by my own hand, it's not art.
2. Art is representational. Period.
2a. Since art is representational, anybody choosing to do a picture with people or things in it that isn't exactly like what I pictured in my head has to have done it because of lack of skill, rather than through stylistic choice. There are few, if any, valid options for making art less representational, and those options are probably ugly.
3. Art is USUALLY better when it has details. Otherwise, I can't tell if you chose to have empty space to make a point, or if you just were too lazy to draw anymore. It's possible for a picture with space to be good. It's never possible for a picture to look too cluttered. Less is not more.
4. Comics aren't art, and they sure ain't literature. But that goes without saying. Also? Don't say ain't. EVER.
I think there's some rules for being an artist as well:
1. If you aren't trying to make a living on your art, you're not an artist.
2. Then again, if you're trying AND FAILING, you may be an artist. Unless you just suck.
3. If you draw (or whatever) something and it's not PERFECT, you're not an artist.
4. Art is a talent, and there's no way to improve it, see rule 3.
Of course this is all a load of unmitigated crap. Stinky, disgusting, barely-solid crap on your shoe.
All those people saying "My five year old could have done this!!" may be right - maybe if you gave them some tracing paper and a pencil they could copy the image. Maybe with time they could do it EVERY time, sure, why not? I doubt they really could be consistent in whatever style we're talking about, but let's run with that.
Who cares? There's more to art than just having accurate drawings to scale. Mo Willems got his Caldecotts not through having accurate, detailed, "beautiful" pictures; but through having pictures that are funny and that accurately capture the *mood* of his characters. (And I've heard that he's made a conscious decision to have his artwork look like a kid could do it in order to make his audience relate to it more easily. If true, that argument is blown right out of the water anyway.) Kevin Henkes got a Caldecott for The Hello Goodbye Window because his pictures, though "messy", reflect the genuine warmth between grandrelations. David Shannon's illustrations strike me as appallingly ugly, but a lot of kids really dig them; and Jazz Baby? Dude, I love that book and I think the people have incredibly misshapen heads. I ignore it, though, because I also think that the pictures sing and dance on their own when the book is shut. They're not even remotely "accurate"... but they are. They're accurate to the words and the feelings. It's like a quote I read on metaphors: "There's true, and there's true. I've never seen the wind run, but the horse still ran like the wind".
And how this all relates to the teachers who "aren't artists"? Well, when they say that they think they just mean "It's okay not to be perfect", but what they're SAYing is that there's some form of "perfect" to begin with. They're reinforcing all that nonsense I just said up above, that art is a talent, that it all depends on doing pictures that look the same as the outside reality and have some appropriate level of detail (stick figures don't count), that most people aren't gonna be able to do that.
And that's just not an accurate representation of the world as we know it.
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Date: 2009-10-19 06:01 am (UTC)To me, it goes along with "I'm not a doctor" or "I'm not a lawyer" except that those have a good reason to be used. You warn people you're not a doctor or not a lawyer because you want them to understand that they can't follow your advice or guidance the way they would someone who is certified. You don't want to be sued for something akin to malpractice/practicing without a license. You're just giving a layperson's opinion.
The problem for "being an artist" is that we don't certify artists. A doctor or a lawyer is a very clear thing. It's someone with a particular degree, someone who has passed the bar. But an artist... well, anyone who creates art can be an artist. It's more that there is a spectrum of experience and quality. It's like being a writer. Am I a writer? Well, I don't write professionally, but I did create a bunch of strips (over 200) of a comic strip like thing that many of my friends like. I've written stories. I wouldn't show someone one of my stories and say, "I'm not a writer, but here, read this."
I think the problem with "I'm not an artist" is it presents the idea that only "real artists" should be making art. That there are "artists" and "not an artist" and it's somehow a little bit bad or requiring of an excuse to explain why a "not an artist" is drawing something.
Sure, you also are saying, hey, please hold me to a lower standard. I know I'm not great at this, but I'm doing it anyway.
And that part I am okay with. I think it's good for kids to know that they can do something they're not all that good at. But I think it's important to send the message that everyone can write if they want to and everyone can draw if they want to. You don't need to prove you have a certain level of ability before it's okay for you to draw and share your drawings.
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Date: 2009-10-19 04:03 pm (UTC)I don't think I'm wrong, but I don't think you're wrong either, I think "I'm not an artist" can encompass parts of both of these.
And you're right, the "real artists are the ones who make art" thing is super pervasive. Do you know that at their school, the classes play music on a CD to sing along to? Drives me batty every time - what ever happened to the teacher just knowing the words?
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Date: 2009-10-19 08:11 pm (UTC)Tone deafness runs in my family. I know I have pitch problems. I also know I have meter perception problems. I'm great with kids, and I think I did a fine job of subbing as the teacher's assistant for the day. I'm just not good at singing. I bet there are many people who are good teachers who aren't comfortable singing.
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Date: 2009-10-19 08:38 pm (UTC)No doubt, but it's one of those vicious cycles. A new generation is raised thinking that singing is something they can't improve upon and that there's a standard they have to reach and that music is something you listen to, not something you do. And so, having insufficient practice singing and limited exposure to people who make music as a matter of course, they feel uncomfortable singing in public, passing that down to their own kids.
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Date: 2009-10-19 08:48 pm (UTC)I am fairly sure my mother is tone deaf. I've tested her a fair bit. I'm not sure about myself. Actually, she was raised musically. It was quite sad. Her mother was very into music, but she can't hear various aspects of music.
I don't know about these teachers, but I kind of feel it should be a choice from teacher to teacher. Just as I'd be okay with a teacher not drawing an illustration; you just don't need to comment on it. Then kids learn that different people do things differently and there are various ways it can be done.