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http://www.livejournal.com/community/hamsters/278849.html?thread=1574721
I've mentioned before that vegans shouldn't have carnivorous pets. I'll mention it again. STICK TO RABBITS.
It's interesting, actually, that while this person says there's a huge difference between an animal hunting and an animal eating meat that's been raised in poor conditions, his reasons for not letting his cat out is "he would turn feral and hunt". Either there's a difference or there isn't.... *deep sigh*
Anyway, let's ignore that, and go to the funny part. Humans aren't animals! We're mammals!
That girl is damn stupid.*
Cats and Dogs don't need to hunt because, being domesticated, they don't have to.
Both cats and dogs were long bred to be hunters... cats doing mousing, dogs doing either dogfighting or hunting with people, or more mousing. Domestication doesn't come into it. Yes, YOUR cat and dog probably don't need to hunt, but that's not because they're domesticated, it's because they're fed. A cat or dog in the wild is still a member of a domesticated species, but they'll still hunt.
Arguments of "instinct", etc. as regards Cats and Dogs are a bit meaningless since being domesticated they are already out of their normal habitat to begin with.
A domesticated species is IN its natural habitat when it's with humans. Sorry, ducky.
Neither of those statements is particularily stupid, but saying humans aren't animals is. And then saying that they don't mean in the general sense but in a biological sense? *cracks up*
If you are speaking Biologically, yes there is a big difference between animals and mammals. Where there are some similarities between humans and animals definition-wise, there are also some very great differences-some of those include that humans have the ability to think and to reason whereas, have the ability to communicate on a much higher level than that of animals.
*shakes head in shame*
*I never edit or delete posts if I can help it, because it seems dishonest, but I've spoken to the girl in question, and she seems more ignorant than stupid. With a good reason, involving a lot of moving around and the public educational system. So, my apologies are offered.
I've mentioned before that vegans shouldn't have carnivorous pets. I'll mention it again. STICK TO RABBITS.
It's interesting, actually, that while this person says there's a huge difference between an animal hunting and an animal eating meat that's been raised in poor conditions, his reasons for not letting his cat out is "he would turn feral and hunt". Either there's a difference or there isn't.... *deep sigh*
Anyway, let's ignore that, and go to the funny part. Humans aren't animals! We're mammals!
That girl is damn stupid.*
Cats and Dogs don't need to hunt because, being domesticated, they don't have to.
Both cats and dogs were long bred to be hunters... cats doing mousing, dogs doing either dogfighting or hunting with people, or more mousing. Domestication doesn't come into it. Yes, YOUR cat and dog probably don't need to hunt, but that's not because they're domesticated, it's because they're fed. A cat or dog in the wild is still a member of a domesticated species, but they'll still hunt.
Arguments of "instinct", etc. as regards Cats and Dogs are a bit meaningless since being domesticated they are already out of their normal habitat to begin with.
A domesticated species is IN its natural habitat when it's with humans. Sorry, ducky.
Neither of those statements is particularily stupid, but saying humans aren't animals is. And then saying that they don't mean in the general sense but in a biological sense? *cracks up*
If you are speaking Biologically, yes there is a big difference between animals and mammals. Where there are some similarities between humans and animals definition-wise, there are also some very great differences-some of those include that humans have the ability to think and to reason whereas, have the ability to communicate on a much higher level than that of animals.
*shakes head in shame*
*I never edit or delete posts if I can help it, because it seems dishonest, but I've spoken to the girl in question, and she seems more ignorant than stupid. With a good reason, involving a lot of moving around and the public educational system. So, my apologies are offered.
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:53 am (UTC)You actually hit the nail on the head right there. Plants don't feel pain. Critters do. Microbes are also living things, but nobody feels sorry for scrubbing the bathroom tiles. Everybody draws the line somewhere. Some people draw it at cute things.
Besides that, there are many, many other reasons for vegetarianism/veganism. Some feel that the idea of meat itself isn't wrong, it's just the conditions they're raised in that are wrong; some are worried about the use of growth hormones/antibiotics in livestock; some are worried about environmental consequences; etc.
Oh well. Time to get off my soapbox.
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:56 am (UTC)Which irks me, personally. Cute, bah!
Now, to be fair, while I think it's outright stupid to try to put a carnivorous creature on a vegan diet, I am told that some of them do thrive on such diets.
IF you know what you're doing.
And IF you have approval from a vet.
And IF you watch very carefully to make sure things don't go awry.
I won't personally worry.
Unfortunately, neither the original poster nor this girl really seems to fit the implied category of "IF you're not an total moron".
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Date: 2004-03-22 11:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-03-22 11:06 am (UTC)THAT is what angers me about eating meat. I don't think that becoming a vegitarian or taking some of PeTA's fairly violent steps does anything to change the market though.
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Date: 2004-03-22 11:10 am (UTC)*shakes head at self*
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Date: 2004-03-22 02:53 pm (UTC)