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Mar. 21st, 2006 10:36 pm
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They're not dogs. That's why we generally don't make shock collars for children.

On the same subject (but not nearly as severe), your typical three or four year old child doesn't need to get high-fives and GOOD EATING!!!!!! for munching on some glorified potato chips. Either they're hungry, and they eat, or they're not hungry, so they don't. (Or they're hungry and they don't eat, which sucks, but assuming you haven't made something you know they can't/won't eat, that's probably a temporary situation.)

Praising a kid for eating. Eating snacks, of all things. Now I've seen everything.

Date: 2006-03-22 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chem-nerd.livejournal.com
You're thinking of a different kind of shock. The shock used to treat severe, non drug-responsive depression is designed to get well and truly feaky with neurotransmitter levels, though I don't remember just how. The shock described here, I would consider inhumane to use on an ill-behaved dog, let alone a child.

Inhumane shocking

Date: 2006-03-22 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duponthumanite.livejournal.com
I think both shocks here are inhumane.

But the second one is more inhumane.

The child didn't ask for this. Nor did the dog. This is on innocent people who did nothing wrong, who are acting out the dictates of their nature.

And a depressed person is usually acting out of learnt behaviour patterns, in most cases, even if it does become chemical in the end.

I think I see a distinction between nature and (lack of or dysfunctional) nurture.

Adelaide
who though she has had depression in the past would describe hers as more situational (gets worse under STRESS) than chemical

Re: Inhumane shocking

Date: 2006-03-22 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chem-nerd.livejournal.com
The depression one isn't exactly a shock, though it is electrical in nature. The brain basically functions via electricity. They don't really zap the brain, as I recall, they give it some kind of electrical stimulation that spikes all of the neurotransmitters. Though it's been a while since intro psych...

Re: Inhumane shocking

Date: 2006-03-22 07:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duponthumanite.livejournal.com
Thanks for the clarification.

So the brain does run on electricity.

It's like food, isn't it? You're only giving it some of what's natural. But you can over shock, like over-vitamin or over-mineral.

Adelaide

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