This just in, Cheney's an idiot...
May. 31st, 2005 12:17 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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"For Amnesty International to suggest that somehow the United States is a violator of human rights, I frankly just don't take them seriously"
Holding people indefinitely without trial? That's violating their human rights.
Going to war on false pretenses? That violates somebody's rights, even if you're convinced it's for the best.
He says more...
"I think the fact of the matter is, the United States has done more to advance the cause of freedom, has liberated more people from tyranny over the course of the 20th century and up to the present day than any other nation in the history of the world.
This, of course, is debateable. Even if it weren't, it's not as though we're talking a scale here. Good deeds don't absolve you for the bad. It just doesn't work that way.
"Guantanamo's been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. ... I think these people have been well treated, treated humanely and decently," Cheney said. "Occasionally there are allegations of mistreatment.
"But if you trace those back, in nearly every case, it turns out to come from somebody who has been inside and been released ... to their home country and now are peddling lies about how they were treated."
Who can cite the logical fallacy here? Anybody? I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees that just because these people have fortunately been released from Guantanamo does not make them bad sources.
Oh, they might be. This might all be a vast conspiracy from former prisoners to harm the US. It might. Maybe.
Holding people indefinitely without trial? That's violating their human rights.
Going to war on false pretenses? That violates somebody's rights, even if you're convinced it's for the best.
He says more...
"I think the fact of the matter is, the United States has done more to advance the cause of freedom, has liberated more people from tyranny over the course of the 20th century and up to the present day than any other nation in the history of the world.
This, of course, is debateable. Even if it weren't, it's not as though we're talking a scale here. Good deeds don't absolve you for the bad. It just doesn't work that way.
"Guantanamo's been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. ... I think these people have been well treated, treated humanely and decently," Cheney said. "Occasionally there are allegations of mistreatment.
"But if you trace those back, in nearly every case, it turns out to come from somebody who has been inside and been released ... to their home country and now are peddling lies about how they were treated."
Who can cite the logical fallacy here? Anybody? I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees that just because these people have fortunately been released from Guantanamo does not make them bad sources.
Oh, they might be. This might all be a vast conspiracy from former prisoners to harm the US. It might. Maybe.
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Date: 2005-05-30 10:09 pm (UTC)My favorite quote from that article:
Date: 2005-05-31 09:46 am (UTC)"He doesn't take torture seriously; he doesn't take the Geneva Convention seriously; he doesn't take due process rights seriously; and he doesn't take international law seriously.
"And that is more important than whether he takes Amnesty International seriously."
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Date: 2005-05-31 01:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-05-31 02:32 pm (UTC)This yipyop sure refuses to see it. 9_9
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Date: 2005-05-30 10:09 pm (UTC)My favorite quote from that article:
Date: 2005-05-31 09:46 am (UTC)"He doesn't take torture seriously; he doesn't take the Geneva Convention seriously; he doesn't take due process rights seriously; and he doesn't take international law seriously.
"And that is more important than whether he takes Amnesty International seriously."
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Date: 2005-05-31 01:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-05-31 02:32 pm (UTC)This yipyop sure refuses to see it. 9_9