Date: 2005-03-06 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morganne13.livejournal.com
Yeah.......down with the Shrub.

Date: 2005-03-07 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
For the record, I make it more than a year but less than two - though, admittedly, I may not be cynical enough in my prediction.

The public must first be sufficiently distracted from the inconvenient fact that the Bushrealites insisted it would never happen. As you will recall, they called it "fear-mongering" (Oh, the irony!) to raise any concerns over a possible reinstatement of the draft. In order to deflect those who can't be made to forget, they must be able to plausibly insist that the situation has changed radically.

A lovely way to offset these difficulties, of course, would be another "Reichstag" incident - another "Pearl Harbor" scenario, as the PNAC's pre-9/11 manifesto so tellingly put it.

:-\

Date: 2005-03-07 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
You think the Bush administration would let another 9-11 happen just to push through a draft?

Date: 2005-03-07 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
There was/is a helluva lot more at stake in the exploitation of 9/11 than just Iraq (I know you know that - I'm just sayin'). Even so, I agree, at present it still appears highly unlikely that the Neocons were active participants in bringing about 9/11. But I'm not sure I'd dismiss it as ludicrous. The more I learn about these people, the less surprised I will be at anything they might pull, no matter how horrific.

At this point, the only thing that will really surprise me is if they do something so utterly inept as to significantly turn their own power-base against them. But right now, they're pissing off the AARP pretty badly. That's not a bad start.

We can only hope.

Date: 2005-03-07 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
I tend to disagree, there. With the right conditions in place, I doubt it would have taken more that two or three BushCorp insiders (in the right places) to bring it about. But were that the case, I seriously doubt that Bush himself would have known about it. Rove is another story.

Highly unlikely, but not quite ludicrous.

As for any medium- or large-scale conspiracy - nah! All the reports from credible insiders who have blown whistle to whatever degree are limited to evidence of incompetence beforehand, and exploitation and corruption after the fact.

Unless Ray McGovern and his brethren are disinformants...but I seriously doubt it.

For now.

Date: 2005-03-07 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
No, of course not.

Reinstating the draft would a cinch if the BushCorp Boys had the opportunity to exploit another 9/11-type disaster as successfully as they did the last one.

But in this context, to frame the draft as an end in itself is spurious. Mayhem permitting, the draft will be just another minor stepping-stone in the Neocons' ongoing consolidation of power.

Date: 2005-03-07 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
Never. There'd be a civil war if there was.

Date: 2005-03-07 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
You and your brevity. Sheesh.

You just saved me the labor of a whole paragraph.

(t/y)

;-)

Date: 2005-03-06 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morganne13.livejournal.com
Yeah.......down with the Shrub.

Date: 2005-03-07 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
For the record, I make it more than a year but less than two - though, admittedly, I may not be cynical enough in my prediction.

The public must first be sufficiently distracted from the inconvenient fact that the Bushrealites insisted it would never happen. As you will recall, they called it "fear-mongering" (Oh, the irony!) to raise any concerns over a possible reinstatement of the draft. In order to deflect those who can't be made to forget, they must be able to plausibly insist that the situation has changed radically.

A lovely way to offset these difficulties, of course, would be another "Reichstag" incident - another "Pearl Harbor" scenario, as the PNAC's pre-9/11 manifesto so tellingly put it.

:-\

Date: 2005-03-07 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
You think the Bush administration would let another 9-11 happen just to push through a draft?

Date: 2005-03-07 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
There was/is a helluva lot more at stake in the exploitation of 9/11 than just Iraq (I know you know that - I'm just sayin'). Even so, I agree, at present it still appears highly unlikely that the Neocons were active participants in bringing about 9/11. But I'm not sure I'd dismiss it as ludicrous. The more I learn about these people, the less surprised I will be at anything they might pull, no matter how horrific.

At this point, the only thing that will really surprise me is if they do something so utterly inept as to significantly turn their own power-base against them. But right now, they're pissing off the AARP pretty badly. That's not a bad start.

We can only hope.

Date: 2005-03-07 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
I tend to disagree, there. With the right conditions in place, I doubt it would have taken more that two or three BushCorp insiders (in the right places) to bring it about. But were that the case, I seriously doubt that Bush himself would have known about it. Rove is another story.

Highly unlikely, but not quite ludicrous.

As for any medium- or large-scale conspiracy - nah! All the reports from credible insiders who have blown whistle to whatever degree are limited to evidence of incompetence beforehand, and exploitation and corruption after the fact.

Unless Ray McGovern and his brethren are disinformants...but I seriously doubt it.

For now.

Date: 2005-03-07 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
No, of course not.

Reinstating the draft would a cinch if the BushCorp Boys had the opportunity to exploit another 9/11-type disaster as successfully as they did the last one.

But in this context, to frame the draft as an end in itself is spurious. Mayhem permitting, the draft will be just another minor stepping-stone in the Neocons' ongoing consolidation of power.

Date: 2005-03-07 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lots42.livejournal.com
Never. There'd be a civil war if there was.

Date: 2005-03-07 07:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
You and your brevity. Sheesh.

You just saved me the labor of a whole paragraph.

(t/y)

;-)

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