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Feb. 24th, 2005 10:45 pm
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I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way, but...

Dear god, how many of youse guys are transgendered/ambiguiously gendered/whatever????

I'm now up to four people on my friends list (that I know of). And I love you all dearly, and want everyone to be as happy as is reasonably possible. I just didn't know so many of my friends were... whatever the word is (I'm still not sure about that). Kinda like when I realized so many of my friends were religious, but different. (Actually, it's a tossup about which surprised me more.)

I mean, I understand why so many of my friends are autists, because I actively seek out autistic friends. And I understand why so many of my friends are bi, because most people are. But I'm a bit surprised at the number of people who identify as transgendered/whatever. I understand vaguely why various people are trans, but I'm not sure how chance led me to have more trans friends than I realized. Unless my view on statistics was completely effed up.

Yeah, this did come out wrong. I mean more along the lines of "wow, I'm surprised, I wasn't expecting that" not "OMG! UR ALL FREKES!!!!1111oneoneeleventyone!!!1". Once the surprise at the numbers wears off, I'll be back to my normal non-caring benevolence.

Incidentally, if you want to tell me anything revelatory, now would be a good time.
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Date: 2005-02-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyshrew.livejournal.com
Um, I'm bi-asexual, but I think I've mentioned that before.

Date: 2005-02-24 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lakidaa.livejournal.com
pardon, but, um, what does that mean?

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Date: 2005-02-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lakidaa.livejournal.com
Well, one of my good friends is.

And I only RP guys...deos that count?

:D

Date: 2005-02-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mortaine.livejournal.com
I'm female and more-or-less heterosexual and monagamous.

I'm very boring. :)

Date: 2005-02-24 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com
Ditto that, but.. Completely straight, hah, I beat you on the boring-o-meter!

another boring straight person

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Date: 2005-02-24 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wakasplat.livejournal.com
I don't currently identify as transgendered (I have in the past thought about the possibility), but I'm definitely very atypical in my gender expression as compared to most females and have had doubts about whether I was meant to be female at various times throughout my life.

Some people would call this transgendered or ambiguously gendered, but I've pretty much given up on those terms to describe myself. I share a lot in common with transpeople, but in the end I'm just me. <shrug>

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Date: 2005-02-24 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
With certain reservations, I identify as TG, albeit on somewhat subjective grounds. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I stand in defiance of the (inevitable) subjectivity of the relevant labels.

I'm plenty happy being a guy, inasmuch as that's worth giving a rip about. I also happen to enjoy (reallyreallyreallyenjoy) crossdressing from time to time. Can't imagine giving that up, but that doesn't change who I am the rest of the time.

As you might expect, a great many transgendered and/or transsexual people take great offense at guys like me identifying as TG. So much for transcending stereotypes, eh?

En toto, I identify as human.

Date: 2005-02-24 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azarias.livejournal.com
I'm a bisexual celibate female who happens to enjoy (reallyreallyreallyREALLY) guys who dress like girls and girls who dress like guys. I've always found myself particularly attracted to androgyny or gender vagueness, which makes me wonder if bi isn't the right word, or if there IS a right word. I'm not sure english has a sexual vocabulary specific enough to handle all the variations.

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Date: 2005-02-24 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
LOL, a lot of your friends are autists, and us autie-types frequently don't fit into any of the human-normal pigeonholes very neatly.

I'm female, mostly heterosexual (though I've gone to bed with a few female friends in times past), currently mostly celibate but open to the possibility of sex when the conditions are right. However, I share this body with two others: one who's male, adamantly celibate, and currently in a romantic but non-sexual relationship with a gay man... one who's ostensibly male but really more androgynous, and whose sexual preferences, if any, can't be determined.

Therefore if you had a "clicky" for this, I guess I'd have to be clicking "all of the above/none of the above".

Date: 2005-02-24 08:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ursamajor
*ggl*

i'm mostly het OMGWTF! and somewhat of a girly-girl.

... there, shocking enough? ;)

Date: 2005-02-24 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
I'm straight! I sometimes am the token straight female in a gathering. I'm poly. I don't consider myself transgendered, but growing up, I didn't feel female and felt like being female was wrong for me. However, I very, very much want to be female. See, I want to get to have a baby, maybe two ro three. And you can't actually carry and have a baby unless you're female. So, I always felt more like a man who wants to be a woman trapped in a female body and quite, quite happy about it. Except, that's wrong too. I don't feel at all like a man. I don't feel male in the slightest. I just don't feel female either.

Which is where I usually give up that line of thinking and just shrug and go, well at least I want to be biologically female and am. And I'm sexually attracted to males and that's simply easier in this society if you're female, so win-win for me.

I don't have very clear ideas on what is feminine or masculine or gender roles. They confuse me, and every so often I try to figure out what they're believed to be in our society, but it doesn't work out well.

Date: 2005-02-24 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-chaos-by-699.livejournal.com
I'm a mostly straight chick, or as I like to put it "straight with a twist of lemon". Back when I was much younger I used to wonder if I was trans because I think I felt so out of sync with most "typical" girls my age (I wasn't boy-crazy like I felt I was supposed to be) but I've since realised that my problem is more with gender roles than my plumbing. Which basically just makes me your average, garden-variety feminist.

Well, I think spelling women "womyn" is stupid, and I'm okay with pornography. So I'm not sure I'm your average, garden-variety feminist either. ;)

Date: 2005-02-25 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eofs.livejournal.com
Thank you for saying that, because I think it helps clarify in my mind what I was trying to say. I used to feel very out of place amongst my own sex (I still get on better with guys, but it's something I'm overcoming at university where there is just generally more encouragement to be an individual.) And I don't deny that I still harbour occasional wishes that my father had given me his y chromosome. But I think you're right - what I had issues with were the gender roles. That, combined with (what I have since identified as) heteroasexuality is what made me feel out of place and un-female when I was younger. Now that it's all sorted in my head, I'm far more comfortable with my sex. Although I think I am still a bit more masculine than is typical.

Date: 2005-02-24 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fascinoma.livejournal.com
Female-bodied, Kinsey 4 or 5, married to a man, bigendered. Sometimes joke that I'm a male crossdresser stuck in a female body.

Date: 2005-02-24 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rantinan.livejournal.com
Bi sexual, Bi genderd, Try sexual. Yes I revel in being insane autistic freak open to the sort of ideas about identity and body that make most people cringe. The best bit is of course so is my partner. So the real answer is we are what we are. If that's weird to some people, so be it. I revel in the hate from "christians" n the like. Revel in it. Something to do with being 6 foot tall and 200 odd pounds in a country where almost nobody has firearms. Thye can hate me all they like, there is sweet FA they can do about it.
In fact most australians are pritty easy about it. Espicaly at my work place. here's a very good example.
Yesterday i was attending fire warden training. the 50 year old vetren fire fighter running the training was honestly suprised none of us wanted to quizz him about the rather public coming out of the first openly transgendered fire fighter in australia last week. it was at his station so yeah, i guess he;s copped a bit of it. But questioning it didnt even occur to any of us to ask. A room full of 30 people and not any of em gave a damn.

Date: 2005-02-24 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rantinan.livejournal.com
OH and I was thinking the same sort of thing yesterday. like "WTF everyone I know is a freak!" *Grins* But then I thaught, well so what? yes my friends are all either gay, asexual, transexual, comunists, devient freaks, auties or some combination thereof. Does it suprise me, no not realy. These are people I can relate to. Usualy incredibly inteligent. Always interesting with something to say. Mostly ready to scream in my face if i say something they disagree with. The sort of people who have abandoned sterotypical roles in society. One of my next door neighbours is an 87 year old fellow who would have quite happily been transgendered if such had been available 60 odd years ago. Now he's quite comfortable with himself as himself. As you can guess we're quite good friends.
I guess what i'm saying oh empress of the red pen, is that the sort of people I usualy like to talk to are the people I can relate to in some fashion or another. I guess you might be the same. Us freaks SHOULD stick together. One day we'll out number the "normal" people, and they will realise that we're evolution baby!

Date: 2005-02-24 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yadfothgildloc.livejournal.com
I'm, um, a straight guy.

Sorry folks.

Date: 2005-02-25 06:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scarletdemon.livejournal.com
Don't be sorry. I'm straight too. And a woman, with no desire for a penis of my own.

Date: 2005-02-24 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] invsagoth.livejournal.com
Bi-sexual who is usually attracted to girls but can also be attracted to guys that are more feminine than I am. xD But you prolly already know that if you've seen any of my entries on the matter. n.n; But this is a good sense of me in a nutshell. *nods*

I've never wanted to be anything other than a girl though. While I'm not your typical girly-girl in the least, and I've always been more of a tomboy, I'm still quite happy to be female. hehe

Date: 2005-02-24 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interactiveleaf.livejournal.com
You know, I was recently wondering the same thing about *my* Friends List, until I realized that there are really only two actual TGs that I don't haven't physically met. The other TGs are just folks I've met because they're in my area, friends of my friends, and (in many cases) dating each other. There a random few who identify as androgynous, and . . .

. . . Holy shit. All my friends *are* freaks!!

Date: 2005-02-24 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] worldmage.livejournal.com
I'm... ummm... indescribable? I've talked about it before in my journal, but I'm fairly certain that was before we friended each other.

I'm kinda-sorta bisexual, leaning towards gay. What this means functionally is that I'm most often attracted to guys, but do occasionally get attracted to women, though I'm not sure if I'd be able to function sexually with a woman. The idea kinda freaks me out. Not in an "EWGROSSOMG!!!ELEVEN111!!" way, though. More like in the scared way.

Gender-wise, I'm not even sure how to describe myself. Gender is more like a mood for me. I'll spend a period of time channeling Olympia Dukakis, then I'll swing the other way and be more like Destruction from the Sandman comics. At the moment I'm kind of in-between, which seems to be where I am most of the time.

Date: 2005-02-25 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fjorab-teke.livejournal.com
I'm a proclaimed tomboy, but mostly it's just because I HATE being expected to wear dresses and makeup and like things that "girls are supposed to like." I've since then become less adamant about the "stereotype" to try explaining to others why I'm not a girly girl. Now I just say screw it all...I like what I like, I wear what feels comfortable to me, and I don't care if I'm called "ma'am" or "sir" anymore (yes, I have been mistaken for a guy several times, probably because of my preferred dress code).

I don't like how this culture's view on feminism is so geared toward babies and artificial beauty. Despite that, I LOVE how the "classic ancient Egyptian art" style has people's faces decorated. I like certain girly things because they are either my favorite color(s) or are horsey. I don't care what people think of me as an adult woman wearing "men's" clothes and browsing the toy departments in superstores. I'm me, and I've given up for the most part on labels except to give people a general idea of how I am in terms they might be familiar with, rather than ramble on like...I...um...just did. :-p

Date: 2005-02-25 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naive-notstupid.livejournal.com
female, married, bi-sexual, and totally monogamous in real life.
From: [identity profile] prezzey.livejournal.com
I'm a heterosexual woman but I am often mistaken for a male or a male-to-female transsexual(!!). The latter must be because I look male but I wear long skirts. I guess there must have been a tad too much of that prenatal testosterone stuff *shrug* (There is other evidence that points toward that, in fact.) When I started keeping tznius (umm Orthodox Jewish dress code) I thought, "now there's no way people would think I was a boy, not in a skirt!". No. Now they assume I'm a transsexual instead. Ha. Maybe I should paint my mouth bright sparkling red? But 1. I hate that stuff 2. it's not too tznius either 3. I'd look like a stereotypical drag queen instead of looking like a plain vanilla woman.

Date: 2005-02-25 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] rho
I win. Apparently I know at least 9, and I know that there are at least two or three more who haven't taken the poll (yet).

Date: 2005-02-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyshrew.livejournal.com
Um, I'm bi-asexual, but I think I've mentioned that before.

Date: 2005-02-24 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lakidaa.livejournal.com
pardon, but, um, what does that mean?

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Date: 2005-02-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lakidaa.livejournal.com
Well, one of my good friends is.

And I only RP guys...deos that count?

:D

Date: 2005-02-24 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mortaine.livejournal.com
I'm female and more-or-less heterosexual and monagamous.

I'm very boring. :)

Date: 2005-02-24 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firingneurons.livejournal.com
Ditto that, but.. Completely straight, hah, I beat you on the boring-o-meter!

another boring straight person

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Date: 2005-02-24 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wakasplat.livejournal.com
I don't currently identify as transgendered (I have in the past thought about the possibility), but I'm definitely very atypical in my gender expression as compared to most females and have had doubts about whether I was meant to be female at various times throughout my life.

Some people would call this transgendered or ambiguously gendered, but I've pretty much given up on those terms to describe myself. I share a lot in common with transpeople, but in the end I'm just me. <shrug>

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Date: 2005-02-24 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
With certain reservations, I identify as TG, albeit on somewhat subjective grounds. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I stand in defiance of the (inevitable) subjectivity of the relevant labels.

I'm plenty happy being a guy, inasmuch as that's worth giving a rip about. I also happen to enjoy (reallyreallyreallyenjoy) crossdressing from time to time. Can't imagine giving that up, but that doesn't change who I am the rest of the time.

As you might expect, a great many transgendered and/or transsexual people take great offense at guys like me identifying as TG. So much for transcending stereotypes, eh?

En toto, I identify as human.

Date: 2005-02-24 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azarias.livejournal.com
I'm a bisexual celibate female who happens to enjoy (reallyreallyreallyREALLY) guys who dress like girls and girls who dress like guys. I've always found myself particularly attracted to androgyny or gender vagueness, which makes me wonder if bi isn't the right word, or if there IS a right word. I'm not sure english has a sexual vocabulary specific enough to handle all the variations.

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