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1. Anti-infant-circumcision. This is *routine* circumcision, mind. If there's an actual medical reason behind it, I support it. I also will not comment if people do this for religious reasons, provided that this is actually part of their religion.

2. Breastfeeding. And I'm never having kids, so this one's a bit weird.

3. Linguistic rights. Primarily, the right to not be told "the way you speak is wrong". I understand the various reasons behind a need for a standard dialect, but please. Just say "this way is more appropriate for this situation". Forget that right and wrong nonsense. (Unless somebody is actually wrong. It does happen)

4. Anti-Bush. BUSH SUCKS.

5. Pro-reproductive rights.

6. Pro-equality-of-all-sorts (racial, sexual, sexualorientational, whatever, equal is good)

7. Anti-death-penalty. Especially when it's being called upon by people who claim to be "pro-life". Liars.

8. Pro-helping-people-out. Yeah, if you're so pro-life, you should want to support this life once it's born as well. Abortion rates *rose* during Bush's term.

9. Anti-war. I don't like killing people.

10. Pro-Dudley-Fic. *coughs*

11. Autistic Advocacy. Technically, this goes under number 6, but I thought I'd give it a special mention. *special mention*

Hm.... That may be it. Icky number, 11, but it'll do.

Date: 2005-02-10 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-chaos-by-699.livejournal.com
Our political views are fairly similar. Not like that's any surprise or anything.

Date: 2005-02-10 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robotliliput.livejournal.com
That's an awesome list! Reading it inspired me with righteous energy to right wrongs, and made me appreciative of the fact that there are people like you in the world who care about important things.

*mad props*

Date: 2005-02-11 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beetlebomb.livejournal.com
I know this is off-topic but I like your icon! "The Prisoner" rocks!!

Date: 2005-02-10 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spitefairy.livejournal.com
Concerning 8, are you pro good Samaritan laws? (Like what they have in France, where if you see someone get hurt you're obligated to help them.)

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Date: 2005-02-10 11:03 pm (UTC)
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Hah. you better watch out, this could turn into a meme...

Date: 2005-02-10 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruthanolis.livejournal.com
6. Pro-equality-of-all-sorts (racial, sexual, sexualorientational, whatever, equal is good)

So does that mean you're all for supporting mens equality?

Date: 2005-02-10 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neurotica0.livejournal.com
Wanting equality for women means wanting women to be equal to men, so that in and of itself is men's equality.

Ex: A common feminist conception is that men should receive the same paternity benefits as a woman's maternity benefits.

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Date: 2005-02-10 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kibbles.livejournal.com
Pretty much fits me. 'Cept I don't know Dudley fic. Oops.

death penalty

Date: 2005-02-10 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottrossi.livejournal.com
i am opposed to the death penalty with the exception of two cases:

1) serial killers
2) child molesters

in regards to both, yes i know its possible to treat and try to rehabilitate people and i am willing to allow that, BUT if the subject should regress to old ways, then that is it, death. i know it might be heavyhanded or whatnot, but i know too many people who's lives have been totally messed up by child molesters and to a one, they all wish death on them, because the victims can never really live. and serial killers deserve live behind bars and instead of living in luxury, they should have to do some kind of manual labor to be productive. nothing "nazi slave camp" style, but i think you know what i mean. like making license plates and clothes and digging ditches and things like that.

its probably the one repressive trait about my entire political-philosophical outlook besides my belief that we should be forced to forfeit consumer heaven for environmental stability.

Re: death penalty

Date: 2005-02-10 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
I am fine with the seriel killers part. I think most seriel killers cannot be rehabilitated and it is proactive self-defense. I'm usually against things called proactive self-defense, but I actually think it has a point in this case.

For child molesters, it depends a lot on the details. If you mean all child molesters, then no. And not every victim of child molestation wishes the death of the molester. In some cases that would simply cause additional pain and trauma to the victim, which strikes me as extra pointless. In some cases, yeah, sure, kill the bastards. It's just not as clear-cut as "child molestation" is a much broader category and I think can be triggered by more causes, some just as vile, but some not.

My main problem with the death penalty though has always been that no matter how certain you are, you're pretty much never 100% sure the person is guilty. And you cannot reverse an execution. I would want an incredibly high standard of proof for the death penalty, and I just don't expect to get it.

As such, I find it simplest to just be anti-death penalty. And I agree with most of Conuly's causes.

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Date: 2005-02-11 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kynn.livejournal.com
I'm confused.

If someone is incapable of rehabilitation, then killing them is even more unjust.

You don't kill the insane. That's not what a just society does.

--Kynn

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Date: 2005-02-11 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
"I also will not comment if people do this [infant circumcision] for religious reasons, provided that this is actually part of their religion."

I will, and if I get flamed out the wazoo for it, well, it won't be the first time. If someone said "I cut off part of my newborn child's body because God told me to", it would be reasonable to assume that that person was insane. It's every bit as insane, if not more so, to say "I cut off part of my newborn child's body because God supposedly told some mythical guy to do it thousands of years ago."

If people want to cut off parts of their own bodies because God told them to, or for any other reason, that's their choice - I may think it's a stupid choice, but it's really none of my business. The mutilation of the genitalia of tiny babies who can't consent or refuse is an entirely different matter.

I realize that this barbaric practice is an honored tradition among certain sects, and they're not going to stop doing it just because I think it is barbaric, disgusting, and just plain evil. I'm not going to pretend I don't think that, though, or that I have any respect for a "religious tradition" that claims God requires blood sacrifices of infant foreskins.

Andrea Yates murdered her five children because she apparently sincerely believed it was the only way to save them from eternal damnation. I don't notice people being reluctant to denounce her actions just because they were motivated by "religious reasons".

Date: 2005-02-11 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahsirakh.livejournal.com
The mutilation of the genitalia of tiny babies who can't consent or refuse is an entirely different matter.

Incidentally, isn't that an argument of those who are against abortion? How fascinating...

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Date: 2005-02-11 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalathia.livejournal.com
I agree with virtually all of them(even if I'm not very interested in circumcision), but when I do my list(it's late right now, so I think I'll do it tomorrow or later this weekend), I'll make different choices. By the way, I think that pro-death penalty/anti-abortion people are hypocrites, not liars(it's a slight difference; they have contradictory views, but they honestly believe themselves to be pro-life).

Date: 2005-02-12 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
Don't forget that they're anti-welfare, Planned Parenthood, juvenile rehab, and much of education.

"Save the babies before they're born, but who cares what happens to them afterwards."

Date: 2005-02-10 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-chaos-by-699.livejournal.com
Our political views are fairly similar. Not like that's any surprise or anything.

Date: 2005-02-10 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robotliliput.livejournal.com
That's an awesome list! Reading it inspired me with righteous energy to right wrongs, and made me appreciative of the fact that there are people like you in the world who care about important things.

*mad props*

Date: 2005-02-11 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beetlebomb.livejournal.com
I know this is off-topic but I like your icon! "The Prisoner" rocks!!

Date: 2005-02-10 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spitefairy.livejournal.com
Concerning 8, are you pro good Samaritan laws? (Like what they have in France, where if you see someone get hurt you're obligated to help them.)

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Date: 2005-02-10 11:03 pm (UTC)
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Hah. you better watch out, this could turn into a meme...

Date: 2005-02-10 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ruthanolis.livejournal.com
6. Pro-equality-of-all-sorts (racial, sexual, sexualorientational, whatever, equal is good)

So does that mean you're all for supporting mens equality?

Date: 2005-02-10 11:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neurotica0.livejournal.com
Wanting equality for women means wanting women to be equal to men, so that in and of itself is men's equality.

Ex: A common feminist conception is that men should receive the same paternity benefits as a woman's maternity benefits.

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Date: 2005-02-10 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kibbles.livejournal.com
Pretty much fits me. 'Cept I don't know Dudley fic. Oops.

death penalty

Date: 2005-02-10 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottrossi.livejournal.com
i am opposed to the death penalty with the exception of two cases:

1) serial killers
2) child molesters

in regards to both, yes i know its possible to treat and try to rehabilitate people and i am willing to allow that, BUT if the subject should regress to old ways, then that is it, death. i know it might be heavyhanded or whatnot, but i know too many people who's lives have been totally messed up by child molesters and to a one, they all wish death on them, because the victims can never really live. and serial killers deserve live behind bars and instead of living in luxury, they should have to do some kind of manual labor to be productive. nothing "nazi slave camp" style, but i think you know what i mean. like making license plates and clothes and digging ditches and things like that.

its probably the one repressive trait about my entire political-philosophical outlook besides my belief that we should be forced to forfeit consumer heaven for environmental stability.

Re: death penalty

Date: 2005-02-10 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leora.livejournal.com
I am fine with the seriel killers part. I think most seriel killers cannot be rehabilitated and it is proactive self-defense. I'm usually against things called proactive self-defense, but I actually think it has a point in this case.

For child molesters, it depends a lot on the details. If you mean all child molesters, then no. And not every victim of child molestation wishes the death of the molester. In some cases that would simply cause additional pain and trauma to the victim, which strikes me as extra pointless. In some cases, yeah, sure, kill the bastards. It's just not as clear-cut as "child molestation" is a much broader category and I think can be triggered by more causes, some just as vile, but some not.

My main problem with the death penalty though has always been that no matter how certain you are, you're pretty much never 100% sure the person is guilty. And you cannot reverse an execution. I would want an incredibly high standard of proof for the death penalty, and I just don't expect to get it.

As such, I find it simplest to just be anti-death penalty. And I agree with most of Conuly's causes.

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Date: 2005-02-11 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
"I also will not comment if people do this [infant circumcision] for religious reasons, provided that this is actually part of their religion."

I will, and if I get flamed out the wazoo for it, well, it won't be the first time. If someone said "I cut off part of my newborn child's body because God told me to", it would be reasonable to assume that that person was insane. It's every bit as insane, if not more so, to say "I cut off part of my newborn child's body because God supposedly told some mythical guy to do it thousands of years ago."

If people want to cut off parts of their own bodies because God told them to, or for any other reason, that's their choice - I may think it's a stupid choice, but it's really none of my business. The mutilation of the genitalia of tiny babies who can't consent or refuse is an entirely different matter.

I realize that this barbaric practice is an honored tradition among certain sects, and they're not going to stop doing it just because I think it is barbaric, disgusting, and just plain evil. I'm not going to pretend I don't think that, though, or that I have any respect for a "religious tradition" that claims God requires blood sacrifices of infant foreskins.

Andrea Yates murdered her five children because she apparently sincerely believed it was the only way to save them from eternal damnation. I don't notice people being reluctant to denounce her actions just because they were motivated by "religious reasons".

Date: 2005-02-11 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ahsirakh.livejournal.com
The mutilation of the genitalia of tiny babies who can't consent or refuse is an entirely different matter.

Incidentally, isn't that an argument of those who are against abortion? How fascinating...

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Date: 2005-02-11 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalathia.livejournal.com
I agree with virtually all of them(even if I'm not very interested in circumcision), but when I do my list(it's late right now, so I think I'll do it tomorrow or later this weekend), I'll make different choices. By the way, I think that pro-death penalty/anti-abortion people are hypocrites, not liars(it's a slight difference; they have contradictory views, but they honestly believe themselves to be pro-life).

Date: 2005-02-12 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bridgetester.livejournal.com
Don't forget that they're anti-welfare, Planned Parenthood, juvenile rehab, and much of education.

"Save the babies before they're born, but who cares what happens to them afterwards."

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