More religious political talk.
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From the Guardian, so.
And an article about cemetaries.
This deserves to be posted here, hold on:
Tenn. Muslims Face Resistance to Plans
SOMERVILLE, Tenn. - Muslims planned to turn an old sod farm near Memphis into a cemetery, but angry neighbors protested, complaining the burial ground could become a staging ground for terrorists or spread disease from unembalmed bodies.
Yes, of course. People *always* commit terrorism in Tennesee. It's the capital of the world, definitely worth hanging around dead bodies and grieving mourners.
It was not the first time a group faced opposition when trying to build a cemetery or a mosque, but the dispute stood out for the clarity of its anti-Muslim rhetoric.
"We know for a fact that Muslim mosques have been used as terrorist hideouts and centers for terrorist activities," farmer John Wilson told members of a planning commission last month.
This is a *cemetary*. And that's the most I'm going to say about your inane comment.
Similar disputes have arisen elsewhere when Muslim groups sought to develop mosques or cemeteries, which are often the first Islamic institutions in some communities.
Opponents of a proposal to open a mosque in Voorhees, N.J., distributed an anonymous flier warning that Islamic worshippers might include "extremists and radicals." Arguments over a proposed Muslim cemetery near Atlanta persisted for more then a year before officials approved preliminary plans.
As compared to the extremists and radicals and reactionaries in Christian churches. Yes, they exist *everywhere.*
Critics of the projects generally complain about potential damage to the environment, reduced property values and traffic congestion, but many also associate Islam with terrorism.
Rabiah Ahmed of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said she noticed more protests of Muslim building proposals after the 2001 terrorist attacks, so she was not surprised by the cemetery critics near Memphis.
"It's not shocking, but it is discouraging," Ahmed said from the council's headquarters in Washington.
Opponents told the Fayette County planning commission in November that power lines would be prime targets for terrorists in the region about 20 miles east of Memphis.
Of course. In Memphis. That's what I think of when I think of terrorism! Memphis! Wait, wait, the best is yet to come....
"Ladies and gentlemen, you may think this is farfetched, but that is what the Jewish people thought when the Nazis started taking a small foothold, a little at a time, in their community," Wilson said.
Did you read that? HE is comparing THEM to the Nazis. Let's see who it is who is trying to prevent a group from worshiping and mourning. Is it the Muslims? I don't think so.
In a telephone interview later, Wilson said he and his neighbors are primarily worried about their property values, but, he added, news reports cannot be ignored.
"I don't think anyone who has read the newspaper or seen what investigations have gone on about other mosques would not have those kinds of concerns," he said.
What other mosques? I haven't seen this. You might as well be scared of the Catholics and Mormons and Evangelists. They've all had their black sheep (pedophilia, polygamy/incest, and abortion bombing, to sum it up).
Belinda Ghosheh, owner of the five-acre plot being considered for the cemetery, said a meeting of planning officials drew such a hostile crowd she feared for her safety. One woman yelled, "We don't need bin Laden's cousins in our neighborhood."
*winces* Maybe I can move to an alternate universe. One without any people in it. Then I can invite people to join me, weed out the sillies.
Ghosheh and her husband, a native of the Middle East who has been a U.S. citizen for more than 20 years, live in neighboring Shelby County.
"These people would possibly have been our neighbors if we had decided to build on that property," she said. "If this doesn't go through, we're still getting rid of it. I would never live out there now."
*hugs*
Annette Cutliff, a planning commission member who voted for the cemetery, was also at the meeting. "When I walked to my car, I looked over my shoulder," Cutliff said. "I was concerned because emotions were running high."
Critics also complained that the cemetery could be a health hazard because Muslims traditionally do not embalm their dead.
But Muhammad Zaman, a physician and associate professor of medicine at the University of Tennessee, said the practice is safe. "The decomposition of the human body does not add anything different than what it is," Zaman said.
Really, you're more in danger from embalming fluids seeping into the soils.
One neighbor, Herbert Howell, said a cemetery should not be allowed regardless of who would be buried there.
"We are not at war with all the Islamics," Howell said. "I have no problem with who they are or what they are. If it was a filling station, I wouldn't want that either."
Muslims, but that at least makes *sense*
The Muslim Society of Memphis received a "special use" zoning exemption from the planning commission, which is appointed. But a committee of the elected county commission disapproved.
"They were very concerned about votes," Cutliff said.
The application was withdrawn before a vote by the full commission.
Memphis businessman Mohammad Halimah said the group is considering several options, including refiling the request.
Halimah, a U.S. citizen with four children born in the United States, said more than 15,000 Muslims live in the Memphis area, and their small private cemetery is running out of burial space.
In the meantime, he and several colleagues are trying to meet with residents individually to discuss their concerns. No zoning change is needed for a cemetery on church grounds, so building a mosque on the site is also a possibility.
Complaints about the proposal, he said, are often based on ignorance. Some residents do not understand that Islam teaches peace.
"Our religion stresses acceptance by our neighbors," Halimah said. "Even if the law is on our side, religiously we have to be careful."
So! Who's up for moving to a parallel universe mecum?
And an article about cemetaries.
This deserves to be posted here, hold on:
Tenn. Muslims Face Resistance to Plans
SOMERVILLE, Tenn. - Muslims planned to turn an old sod farm near Memphis into a cemetery, but angry neighbors protested, complaining the burial ground could become a staging ground for terrorists or spread disease from unembalmed bodies.
Yes, of course. People *always* commit terrorism in Tennesee. It's the capital of the world, definitely worth hanging around dead bodies and grieving mourners.
It was not the first time a group faced opposition when trying to build a cemetery or a mosque, but the dispute stood out for the clarity of its anti-Muslim rhetoric.
"We know for a fact that Muslim mosques have been used as terrorist hideouts and centers for terrorist activities," farmer John Wilson told members of a planning commission last month.
This is a *cemetary*. And that's the most I'm going to say about your inane comment.
Similar disputes have arisen elsewhere when Muslim groups sought to develop mosques or cemeteries, which are often the first Islamic institutions in some communities.
Opponents of a proposal to open a mosque in Voorhees, N.J., distributed an anonymous flier warning that Islamic worshippers might include "extremists and radicals." Arguments over a proposed Muslim cemetery near Atlanta persisted for more then a year before officials approved preliminary plans.
As compared to the extremists and radicals and reactionaries in Christian churches. Yes, they exist *everywhere.*
Critics of the projects generally complain about potential damage to the environment, reduced property values and traffic congestion, but many also associate Islam with terrorism.
Rabiah Ahmed of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said she noticed more protests of Muslim building proposals after the 2001 terrorist attacks, so she was not surprised by the cemetery critics near Memphis.
"It's not shocking, but it is discouraging," Ahmed said from the council's headquarters in Washington.
Opponents told the Fayette County planning commission in November that power lines would be prime targets for terrorists in the region about 20 miles east of Memphis.
Of course. In Memphis. That's what I think of when I think of terrorism! Memphis! Wait, wait, the best is yet to come....
"Ladies and gentlemen, you may think this is farfetched, but that is what the Jewish people thought when the Nazis started taking a small foothold, a little at a time, in their community," Wilson said.
Did you read that? HE is comparing THEM to the Nazis. Let's see who it is who is trying to prevent a group from worshiping and mourning. Is it the Muslims? I don't think so.
In a telephone interview later, Wilson said he and his neighbors are primarily worried about their property values, but, he added, news reports cannot be ignored.
"I don't think anyone who has read the newspaper or seen what investigations have gone on about other mosques would not have those kinds of concerns," he said.
What other mosques? I haven't seen this. You might as well be scared of the Catholics and Mormons and Evangelists. They've all had their black sheep (pedophilia, polygamy/incest, and abortion bombing, to sum it up).
Belinda Ghosheh, owner of the five-acre plot being considered for the cemetery, said a meeting of planning officials drew such a hostile crowd she feared for her safety. One woman yelled, "We don't need bin Laden's cousins in our neighborhood."
*winces* Maybe I can move to an alternate universe. One without any people in it. Then I can invite people to join me, weed out the sillies.
Ghosheh and her husband, a native of the Middle East who has been a U.S. citizen for more than 20 years, live in neighboring Shelby County.
"These people would possibly have been our neighbors if we had decided to build on that property," she said. "If this doesn't go through, we're still getting rid of it. I would never live out there now."
*hugs*
Annette Cutliff, a planning commission member who voted for the cemetery, was also at the meeting. "When I walked to my car, I looked over my shoulder," Cutliff said. "I was concerned because emotions were running high."
Critics also complained that the cemetery could be a health hazard because Muslims traditionally do not embalm their dead.
But Muhammad Zaman, a physician and associate professor of medicine at the University of Tennessee, said the practice is safe. "The decomposition of the human body does not add anything different than what it is," Zaman said.
Really, you're more in danger from embalming fluids seeping into the soils.
One neighbor, Herbert Howell, said a cemetery should not be allowed regardless of who would be buried there.
"We are not at war with all the Islamics," Howell said. "I have no problem with who they are or what they are. If it was a filling station, I wouldn't want that either."
Muslims, but that at least makes *sense*
The Muslim Society of Memphis received a "special use" zoning exemption from the planning commission, which is appointed. But a committee of the elected county commission disapproved.
"They were very concerned about votes," Cutliff said.
The application was withdrawn before a vote by the full commission.
Memphis businessman Mohammad Halimah said the group is considering several options, including refiling the request.
Halimah, a U.S. citizen with four children born in the United States, said more than 15,000 Muslims live in the Memphis area, and their small private cemetery is running out of burial space.
In the meantime, he and several colleagues are trying to meet with residents individually to discuss their concerns. No zoning change is needed for a cemetery on church grounds, so building a mosque on the site is also a possibility.
Complaints about the proposal, he said, are often based on ignorance. Some residents do not understand that Islam teaches peace.
"Our religion stresses acceptance by our neighbors," Halimah said. "Even if the law is on our side, religiously we have to be careful."
So! Who's up for moving to a parallel universe mecum?
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Date: 2004-12-26 04:50 pm (UTC)