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conulyI have this project due tomorrow. I had been planning to do a tape of people speaking and come up with results (it's for sociolinguistics) but the tape is impossible to hear for most of it. So I'm doing the OTHER project, which I had originally decided not to do because I didn't have enough people. Basically, I'm going to get a few results and extrapolate from them, instead of doing what I was supposed to do which is give the survey to two groups of 10 people each, which are alike in all respects except one. PLEASE help!
[Poll #360503]
Edit: Unless this affected your answers, don't worry about it. Just a clarification: AAVE is *not* supposed to be taken to mean slang. I lost the explanation we were supposed to give, which is just as well as I really thought that explanation was biased towards AAVE anyway. I mean, so am I, but that didn't seem fair. Anyway, AAVE is supposed to be considered as a dialect such as RP english or Brooklyn english, not as slang.
Non-americans, unless you know a lot about the subject (or think you can guess based on your knowledge of nonprestigious dialects where you are), don't answer. I'm locking this so that I can't be called out for rushing the assignment.
[Poll #360503]
Edit: Unless this affected your answers, don't worry about it. Just a clarification: AAVE is *not* supposed to be taken to mean slang. I lost the explanation we were supposed to give, which is just as well as I really thought that explanation was biased towards AAVE anyway. I mean, so am I, but that didn't seem fair. Anyway, AAVE is supposed to be considered as a dialect such as RP english or Brooklyn english, not as slang.
Non-americans, unless you know a lot about the subject (or think you can guess based on your knowledge of nonprestigious dialects where you are), don't answer. I'm locking this so that I can't be called out for rushing the assignment.
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Date: 2004-10-03 05:37 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:16 pm (UTC)*blushes at her parochialism*
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-10-03 06:19 pm (UTC)Cultural dialects are great at home and arguably, even artisticly, but I have way too many issues with people - and I mean everyone, no emphasis on AAVE at all - being ignorant about the complexities of grammar. Proper grammar can be so beautiful and expressive, and people forget that these days. What's more, incorrect grammar loses its expressive abilities if it becomes the standard.
And now I'm going to shuddup before this rant gets any longer. :-P
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:20 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:24 pm (UTC)Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:25 pm (UTC)Proper grammar can be so beautiful and expressive, and people forget that these days.
That's the part that's dearest to my heart. I love the language.
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:27 pm (UTC)I voted on the poll, and I think AAVE is more of a creole/pigin(sic.) language more than a dialect, you know? It's not just localized to certain African-American groups, but that's just me.
I figure it might be worth a shot to use it in education. If you can't understand the language you're being taught in, how will you learn? And at this point in time, plenty of kids could use the help, I think.
On the flip side, most people tend to equate AAVE as poor english, so it might hurt them later on... Bleah, sorry, stuck in programming mode.
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:28 pm (UTC)What's interesting is that the rules of language are far more complex than anybody realizes, way beyond what they think they're teaching in school. I mean, you *think* you have an idea when you take spanish and learn that the adjectives go behind the nouns, but then you take your first linguistics course and end up trying to figure out why it's "a big green house" and never "a green big house".
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:29 pm (UTC)I disagree, simply because I know a bit about creoles and pidgins (which are NOT the same thing at all!). I can actually provide some examples of english-based creoles to show you what I mean... but probably not right now.
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:38 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:41 pm (UTC)And that's when my head exploded. I got the general-to-specific rules about adjectives, but then there was more...and I wept.
I loved that class.
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:45 pm (UTC)2. Oh, ditto. And I got an A. I was so happy. So -plussed!
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:47 pm (UTC)I'm shushing now.
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:51 pm (UTC)1) Proper grammar is actually much more expressive than most people realize, mostly because most people don't utilize proper grammar.
2) There are cases when the purposeful misuse of language can be *very* expressive. However, no one can realize this unless they know what the proper method is. Rule-breaking means absolutely nothing unless people are aware of the rules. It's like being weird relative to the norm. If everyone used "mihi" for "to me" or "for me," it would cease being a sign of uniqueness. In the same way, if everyone is ignoring grammatical rules, rule-breaking ceases being expressive (and just becomes annoying :-P).
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Date: 2004-10-03 06:55 pm (UTC)I'll show some creole text, though, you'll see why I think AAVE could never be a creole. Wait a sec...
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Date: 2004-10-03 07:23 pm (UTC)