Hopping around my reading and network pages

[conuly]

somebody was talking about the new Picard role (who wasn't, right?) and mentioned that they'd already seen people grumbling that TNG was the worst Trek, Picard the worst captain. Which is a viewpoint I've literally never heard espoused before, but I guess there's always somebody.

So we never ever get tired of making Best Trek Captain lists, right? It's polltime!

Poll #20309 STAR TREKKING, ACROSS THE UNIVERSE

Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 80

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Which is the best Trek?

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TOS
6 (9.8%)

TAS
2 (3.3%)

TNG
19 (31.1%)

VOY
6 (9.8%)

DSN
27 (44.3%)

ENT
0 (0.0%)

Disco (I refuse to call this STD)
1 (1.6%)

Reboot
0 (0.0%)

Which captain(s) would drive you to mutiny?

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Original Kirk
17 (23.0%)

Mirror Kirk
37 (50.0%)

Picard
5 (6.8%)

Janeway
12 (16.2%)

Sisko
4 (5.4%)

Pike
10 (13.5%)

Archer
23 (31.1%)

Mirror Archer
18 (24.3%)

Lorca
13 (17.6%)

Tilly <3
2 (2.7%)

Captain Killy
4 (5.4%)

Mirror Burnham
5 (6.8%)

That Vulcan who really hated Sisko's guts in the baseball ep
25 (33.8%)

Martok (um....)
6 (8.1%)

The Borg Queen (I feel I'm starting to get silly)
19 (25.7%)

Q, when dressed up as a Captain
35 (47.3%)

One of the Romulans or Cardassians or something
17 (23.0%)

Kang OR Kor OR Koloth
11 (14.9%)

Other
5 (6.8%)

Who is the most effective captain?

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Kirk
2 (2.6%)

Picard
38 (49.4%)

Janeway
11 (14.3%)

Sisko
25 (32.5%)

Archer
0 (0.0%)

Reboot Kirk
1 (1.3%)

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Comments

[sixbeforelunch]

I went back and forth on the best Trek question, and finally decided to go with the one I personally enjoy the most. In terms of objective quality, I think TNG and DS9 are more or less tied for first.

[conuly]

Agreed on the quality part.

[calimac]

For a dubious captain, how about Decker?

[chanter1944]

Matthew, or Willard?

[julian]

I haven't actually seen most of Enterprise. Or Voyager, for that matter. I do hope to watch more of Enterprise sometime, though!

Anyhow, I have Serious Thoughts about who's the best Captain, but I won't go on and on. (Other than that Kirk is way better than people think. But I still go with Sisko due to communication and community-building. And Jake.)

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

I saw none of Enterprise and heard they mangled the timeline. I also didn't see later Voyager due to UPN finally existing (the CBS affiliate had been broadcasting it in my market) slightly outside of signal range.

[dewline]

If I managed to maintain some degree of sentient, sapient decency, Skrain Dukat would drive me to mutiny. I hope.

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

Could I get Mirror Kirk mutinying against Dukat?

[conuly]

He's the gassiest of the gaslighters.

[jtthomas]

Sure, Voyager has the absurd plots. But outside of the one mass casualty event in the first couple of episodes, how many actual deaths of crew members which are not reversed in the same episode are there in the series? I think it's pretty few. On that count, I think Janeway wins.

[conuly]

There's that one where they interact with an entire other Voyager from another universe, and that entire ship dies except Harry Kim, whose counterpart on "our" Voyager dies, and nobody ever brings this up again. He never goes "Huh, in my universe, blueberry ice cream is really popular" or "In my universe, it's Toto the Targ" or anything. You'd think that this would bother people, but it doesn't.

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

Disco (I refuse to call this STD)

A worthy refusal. I cannot believe they didn't notice that and Not Do That.

[conuly]

They know we like to use three-letter abbreviations when possible!

[archangelbeth]

on Other for mutiny: JJTrek Kirk.
(On Borg Queen: well, 10 of 30 in my icon has decided that she's really kind of a Borg Princess, and since she's not inclined to go back to the Collective anymore (despite missing the heck out of it in many ways), the inclination to nanite-ly arm-wrestle for control seems likely... That counts as mutiny, right?)

Have not yet seen Disco. *sigh*

For fave series, I'm honestly inclined to think Star Trek Online should get an honorable mention!

[conuly]

Not familiar with STO except that they have borg tribbles, and I think you told me that.

[hannah]

Why is Sosko the most effective captain?

Sisko is mainly just really, really incredibly good at managing shit -

like if every job in the world that has “manager” in the name had sisko doing it then i’m pretty sure the world would actually work

he just continually takes this staff of like a psychotic ex-terrorist religious fanatic, a 300 year old egomaniac, a ridiculous self-obsessed manchild, a ridiculous self-obsessed klingon manchild, a security guard with a raging god complex, and a fucking Quark, on a space station that doesn’t even work when he gets it, and against all probability manages to get all of them them to more or less consistently do more or less their actual jobs.

like, while fighting a war, fixing the planet full of religious extremists, and being space jesus - source, though I always say he's more of a Space Moses

[archangelbeth]

Plus he punches Q! ^_^

[pauamma]

I'm hampered in answering this by the fact that Trek Classic is the only series I've watched (some of).

[conuly]

Well, if you don't like it much I guess....

[malkingrey]

I've been around long enough to have imprinted hard on TOS, and have always found TNG to be weak tea (Earl Grey, hot) by comparison.

DS9 was sort of the redheaded stepchild of the franchise in its day -- I suspect that it got away with as much good stuff as it did because nobody important was looking at it very hard.

[conuly]

DS9 was sort of the redheaded stepchild of the franchise in its day -- I suspect that it got away with as much good stuff as it did because nobody important was looking at it very hard.

That's how all the best shows start.

[asakiyume]

It's hard to choose the most effective captain! I feel like a parent ("I love you all for different reasons") They all have their flaws, but they all have their strengths. I think I leaned toward Picard as my personal favorite for a long time, but having just done a watchthrough of Deep Space Nine, I've really warmed to Sisko too.

[conuly]

I love Sisko so much.

[asakiyume]

Another hilarious captain/boss is Alternative Universe Kira in DS9. Wow.

[conuly]

I just assume we'll all mutiny against her.

[redsixwing]

I waffled so hard between Picard and Sisko for most effective. They are both /so good/

JJVerse Kirk can bite me.

I'd mutiny against Q-dressed-as-a-captain mostly because I suspect his facial expression would be worth it.

[stardreamer]

"By captains, you're not a captain."

[sathari]

I'm hampered in answering this by having watched, loved, and imprinted on TOS, both the show and a number of the novels (Diane Duane's RomulanRihannsu novels!), and then when TNG came around it was totally not my thing--- and Picard in particular reminded me of the stuffy Commodores who were always harshing Kirk's awesome, and I literally could not with him as a starship captain, and I couldn't be bothered with any of the other spinoffs after that.

That said, I also think of the TOS reboot as "JJ Abrams' military prep school AU".

[conuly]

Well, Diane Duane is always awesome, so.

[archersangel]

....people grumbling that TNG was the worst Trek, Picard the worst captain. Which is a viewpoint I've literally never heard espoused before....

i never heard that one either.

[conuly]

Yes, it's certainly novel.

[elenbarathi.livejournal.com]

I say TNG was the best Trek, though it took a season to hit its stride, and Picard was definitely the best Captain, though Janeway was a close second. I have no valid opinion on Sisko because I didn't watch DS9 very much.

Everything since Voyager, I pretty-much categorize as 'fanfiction'; not really bona-fide Star Trek.