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To which I say "Well, duh".

It's the same principle for adults. You go to a restaurant (and eating in the school cafeteria is effectively eating in a restaurant, albeit a loud one with no real menu selection to speak of) and they don't just slop spinach on your plate, they tell you it's "buttery braised spinach" that's been "picked at the peak of perfection" and hopefully present it in an attractive fashion. Who wants to eat nameless glop?

Well. Not there, but at other articles referencing the same subject, the comments are all variations on "kids these days". Apparently, back in the day, you tossed crap on a plate and your kids ate it and were grateful, and simply because of this it is wrong to ever vary from that plan.

Firstly, that's bull. That is absolute garbage, and it boggles my mind that people still say stupid things like that. Back in my day, we all planned on being smarter than that when we grew up, but apparently many of us didn't manage that. There was never any magical time or place where children ate whatever they were given and were grateful for it, and if there was then those children were probably starving, or else their diet didn't vary much.

Secondly, even if it were true, why make a big deal about it? I could understand the exaggerated outrage if the study had shown that kids eat more if you hire clowns to juggle before them at every meal, or if you pay them $10 a bite - but what does it cost us, as adults, to refer to food as "Princess peas" instead of just "eat your peas there are starving children in Africa"? How does it harm kids to spend an extra minute making food look appetizing before dishing it out? I'm not saying you should spend hours every day making fancy bento boxes for every single school lunch - but are they really harmed because you show them a small amount of consideration? What nonsense!

It really just doesn't make sense to me.

Date: 2012-09-24 02:28 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] siderea
but are they really harmed because you show them a small amount of consideration?

Can't do that. They might start thinking they are people. Sheesh.

Date: 2012-09-24 12:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kyrielle
LOL. Yeah, these kids these days, WE always ate what WE were given.

Or, you know, skipped lunch and pocketed the lunch money. (Which I did an appalling amount of the time; I even referred to the stuff in middle school as 'mystery meat' - except the hamburgers which we were all convinced were soy, which was NOT a compliment especially back then - I suspect they were real, crap-grade beef, tho.)

I actually *ate* lunch when Mom sent it - the "hot lunch" was supposed to be a treat, but it was dubious most days (there were some I'd eat!) and cost me money I could otherwise tuck away, so. :P

Date: 2012-09-23 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] old-cutter-john.livejournal.com
Terrapin aspic au fromage

Date: 2012-09-23 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
My mother had a recipe that we - even she - referred to as Glop. I guess it wasn't nameless glop, because that was its name, and it was quite good, basically simple hamburger-onion stir-fry in brown gravy.. But we were odd about things like that; our family name for hibachi-smoked steak was always Snake Steak. Snake Steak is so delicious that one could call it Eye of Slime Spider and there'd still be no leftovers.

It seems self-evident that everyone likes their food more when it's attractively presented. I don't see any need to carry that so far as making up restaurant menu-style descriptions of ordinary food, but if people are pleased to do that, I doubt it will scar their kids for life.

"The difference between what you will eat and what you won't is only one day." That's one of those 'duh!' sayings, like things always being in the last place one looks, but without being too literal, yeah... on Monday one wants terrapin aspic au fromage; on Tuesday chicken and potatoes will do; on Wednesday a bowl of ramen would be welcome; and so on down the food chain. Children will eat whatever's set before them if they know that they won't get anything else until they do, but probably not without complaint.

I say, don't buy junk food, have real mealtimes rather than never-ending snacktime, serve up a wide variety of fresh real food and have the children help prepare it, and insist on 'trying a bite' but don't force them to eat if they don't want to. "If you don't like it, you can make yourself a peanut-butter sandwich" is a good solution, because it neither rewards nor punishes not eating supper. Dessert ought to be fruit most of the time; it definitely does look more dessert-like when it's fancifully served.

Date: 2012-09-24 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
I did eat everything on my plate. I was never given a choice. Even though my mother was, sadly, a terrible cook, I had to eat whatever was put in front of me.

Date: 2012-09-24 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jillianfish.livejournal.com
It's more likely that "back in their day" kids ate whatever was on their plate because they had to sit at the table until they cleaned their plate or if they pitched a fit about what they were being served then they had to go to bed hungry. And yes, perhaps if we implemented those same rules today then kids would eat whatever was served even if it looked like hell and didn't have a name. But you're right, it doesn't take much effort to make something look and sound tasty- why not get kids excited about eating good (healthy) food instead of forcing them to do it?

Well-said

Date: 2012-09-24 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
I agree with your post because y'know, at home we don't get the "Broiled Filet of Prime Angus Beef, Seared to Perfection, accompanied by Fluffy Idaho Potatoes, whipped with Pure Dairy Butter."

At home, it's "What's for dinner, honey?" and the answer is "Steak and mash."

I'd say "Princess Peas" CAN be part of overindulgence and spoiling (of children, not food) because eating your food is not a special event, it's not a favor to be rewarded, it's part of normal everyday life like washing, brushing your hair, using the toilet. (Note I say "can be". As pointed out above, every family has its little ways and pet names for certain dishes.)

Date: 2012-09-24 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenbarathi.livejournal.com
I love in Calvin and Hobbes, where Calvin refuses to eat, and his Dad whispers "Good idea, Calvin. It's a plate of toxic waste that will turn you into a mutant if you eat it" - so Calvin snorks it right down. His mother tells him stuffed peppers are "boiled monkey heads", and says of another dish, "It's spider pie. You can pick out the big legs and give them to your Dad if they're too hairy for you." Calvin: "Hey, I LIKE it!".

My Dad had a sense of humor like that. That's how the whole "Snake Steak" thing got started, when he first got the hibachi in about 1962, and the name just stuck forevermore.

My daughter and I call beef jerky "lizard-on-a-stick". No doubt my grandchildren will too. ;D

Re: Well-said

Date: 2012-09-25 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
That reads like you misunderstood. I eat steak like billybedamned, I just don't go into transports of purple prose describing it. (The steak issue is frequently the meat you're getting, not your technique. Consumer-level meat is often tough as old boots if it's not expensive, and sometimes when it is...which is why we have pot roast or meat loaf with our mash much more often than steak.)

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