Date: 2012-04-17 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
Without clicking through, because I've had a somewhat tiring day and don't want to be pointlessly angry*: the First Amendment just means that people can't be fined or imprisoned for being that sort of asshole. It doesn't mean we can't call them out for it. It doesn't mean they can't be fired from most jobs (unless there are specific other protections in a contract or such), or that we can't vote them out of office. (Any protections for a public official are probably in civil service regulations, along with it being illegal to fire a civil servant for being of the wrong political party.) And it certainly doesn't mean that obnoxious and hateful lies are virtuous.

*I am sort of assuming this isn't someone I'm going to get the chance to vote for/against.

I clicked through and I agree.

Date: 2012-04-18 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
Personal freedom, including freedom of speech, is not just freedom to act, it includes the freedom to reap the results of those actions.

Which means that everyone who disagrees with Beckmann is free to firestorm his Facebook account, send him nasty emails, or post video rants on Youtube about how he's a real asshole who makes them pointlessly angry. ;)

Of course, Beckmann did end his post with "They're just misunderstood little church going angels and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug."

Come to think on it, hasn't the dressing-like-something-you're-not been touted as a First Amendment freedom?

Re: I clicked through and I agree.

Date: 2012-04-18 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
Now, now, nobody said anybody deserved to be shot, not even Beckmann.

I must also take issue with "everybody" in your second statement. You mean, the unzipped-cardiganlike-hooded-sweatshirt-with-the-hood-thrown-back? Or the hood-pulled-up-in-warm-sunny-weather type?

The first type, yeah, you can see (roughly) a dozen out of a hundred people in Walmart wearing them. A lot less prevalent than jeans, but I admit I own one myself as of last winter. I have put the hood up when it was raining.

The second type? People will turn and look. I've seen ONE guy wearing his hood up (again, at Walmart: prime social-observation territory), and people were doing doubletakes. If his aim was to avoid notice, he was failing miserably.

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