I forget who I grabbed this from...

[conuly]

No matter. It's a nice list on How to Prevent Rape. Very useful!

I will, however, say that you should never leave your drink unattended, and should, in fact, drink only from a hip flask. Not because you should have to do this, but because I can't pass up a chance to shout CONSTANT VIGILANCE! like that.

CONSTANT VIGILANCE!

Thank you.

Oh, and if you actually needed the list I linked to, because that information is brand new to you? You're creeping me out.

Comments

[threeoranges.livejournal.com]

Hip flask? DEFINITELY.

alchemia has pointed out that "Don't simply tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape" is dangerous, and I agree with her - much as I understand the writer's intention (do not imply that women need to act a certain way to avoid rape, and if they deviate from it then they "deserve" it) the fact remains that knowledge of how to avoid dangerous situations is always helpful (like "always carry your drink and never accept a new one from a stranger" - in a perfect world we wouldn't need to, but it's not and we do). She also points out how karate lessons are a good idea for everyone ;)

Did you know about the Haidl "pool cue rape" case? If not, have a look at this article (be warned, it's shocking): http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/35/moxley-exclusive.php
The latest news I can find on it is that those teenagers have been convicted, and that the judge is deliberating on whether to sentence them as juveniles or adults. Wherever they go, I hope that they too get to be on intimate terms with a pool cue.

[conuly]

But if everyone has karate lessons, wouldn't the bad guys also have karate lessons, putting us all back on an even footing?

I think I'll avoid the link, thanks.

As for your main point - I agree. We shouldn't have to do a lot of things that we do, and that goes for everyone. I should be able to leave my front door unlocked, but I don't. However, it's nice to see another list of arguments to this thing, for a change.

[maelorin]

i have often walked female friends home because they felt unsafe otherwise.

during second year, there was a serial rapist in the area around our residential college. the guy didn't try to excuse what he'd done. he simply claimed that the women had consented. an unconscious person cannot consent can they? he was convicted.

i have sat on a jury for a rape case. very unpleasant, for everyone.

our federal government has a campaign at the moment making it clear that violence of any kind against women is unacceptable and a criminal offence.

but complainants still fear cross-examination, and having to face their abuser. our courts have been trying to make the process less distressing for the victims, while also ensuring that certain interest groups are satisfied that the process does not "make it too easy" for women to accuse men ...

the reporting of male-male rape is still a big problem. adn we have had complaints of female- male rape and female-female rape. but i've been out of the system for too long to know what the details or outcomes were.

[mortaine.livejournal.com]

You should only drink from a hip flask because hip flasks are way cool.

I seriously can't buy the "don't accept drinks from strangers." I mean, c'mon. The bartender's a stranger!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

But you can see the bartender pouring your drink. If someone brings one up to you, they could have spiked it and you'd never know. Until you met the consequences. It's just about keeping an eye on your drink. Similarly, you don't leave your drink unattended because again it could be spiked in your absence.

[invsagoth.livejournal.com]

Constant Vigilance! heh I started laughing when I read that, tis awesome. xD

[threeoranges.livejournal.com]

Hip flask? DEFINITELY.

alchemia has pointed out that "Don't simply tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape" is dangerous, and I agree with her - much as I understand the writer's intention (do not imply that women need to act a certain way to avoid rape, and if they deviate from it then they "deserve" it) the fact remains that knowledge of how to avoid dangerous situations is always helpful (like "always carry your drink and never accept a new one from a stranger" - in a perfect world we wouldn't need to, but it's not and we do). She also points out how karate lessons are a good idea for everyone ;)

Did you know about the Haidl "pool cue rape" case? If not, have a look at this article (be warned, it's shocking): http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/35/moxley-exclusive.php
The latest news I can find on it is that those teenagers have been convicted, and that the judge is deliberating on whether to sentence them as juveniles or adults. Wherever they go, I hope that they too get to be on intimate terms with a pool cue.

[conuly]

But if everyone has karate lessons, wouldn't the bad guys also have karate lessons, putting us all back on an even footing?

I think I'll avoid the link, thanks.

As for your main point - I agree. We shouldn't have to do a lot of things that we do, and that goes for everyone. I should be able to leave my front door unlocked, but I don't. However, it's nice to see another list of arguments to this thing, for a change.

[maelorin]

i have often walked female friends home because they felt unsafe otherwise.

during second year, there was a serial rapist in the area around our residential college. the guy didn't try to excuse what he'd done. he simply claimed that the women had consented. an unconscious person cannot consent can they? he was convicted.

i have sat on a jury for a rape case. very unpleasant, for everyone.

our federal government has a campaign at the moment making it clear that violence of any kind against women is unacceptable and a criminal offence.

but complainants still fear cross-examination, and having to face their abuser. our courts have been trying to make the process less distressing for the victims, while also ensuring that certain interest groups are satisfied that the process does not "make it too easy" for women to accuse men ...

the reporting of male-male rape is still a big problem. adn we have had complaints of female- male rape and female-female rape. but i've been out of the system for too long to know what the details or outcomes were.

[mortaine.livejournal.com]

You should only drink from a hip flask because hip flasks are way cool.

I seriously can't buy the "don't accept drinks from strangers." I mean, c'mon. The bartender's a stranger!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

But you can see the bartender pouring your drink. If someone brings one up to you, they could have spiked it and you'd never know. Until you met the consequences. It's just about keeping an eye on your drink. Similarly, you don't leave your drink unattended because again it could be spiked in your absence.

[invsagoth.livejournal.com]

Constant Vigilance! heh I started laughing when I read that, tis awesome. xD

[usnbfs.livejournal.com]

Hmm, the entry is protected, I'm sure I could read it when you originally linkeed it. Do you think you could copy the list?

[conuly]

Sure, it's taken from somebody else itself.

A lot has been said about how to prevent rape. Women should learn self-defense. Women should lock themselves in their houses after dark. Women shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't wear short skirts. Women shouldn't leave drinks unattended. Fuck, they shouldn't dare to get drunk at all.

Instead of that bullshit, how about:

If a woman is drunk, don't rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, don't rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, don't rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, don't rape her.
If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, don't rape her.
If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend you're still hung up on, don't rape her.
If a woman is asleep in her bed, don't rape her.
If a woman is asleep in your bed, don't rape her.
If a woman is doing her laundry, don't rape her.
If a woman is in a coma, don't rape her.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, don't rape her.
If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, don't rape her.
If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, don't rape her.
If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, don't rape her.
If your step-daughter is watching TV, don't rape her.
If you break into a house and find a woman there, don't rape her.
If your friend thinks it's okay to rape someone, tell him it's not, and that he's not your friend.
If your "friend" tells you he raped someone, report him to the police.
If your frat-brother or another guy at the party tells you there's an unconscious woman upstairs and it's your turn, don't rape her, call the police and tell the guy he's a rapist.
Tell your sons, god-sons, nephews, grandsons, sons of friends it's not okay to rape someone.
Don't simply tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape.
Don't imply that she could have avoided it if she'd only done/not done x.
Don't imply that it's in any way her fault.
Don't let silence imply agreement when someone tells you he "got some" with the drunk girl.
If a woman/girl/female leaves a drink or food unattended, don't put anything in that drink or food. it's not yours. she is not yours. leave the drink or food alone.

Don't perpetuate a culture that tells you that you have no control over or responsibility for your actions.

(* Adding: the same goes for children and men, don't rape them)

[usnbfs.livejournal.com]

Hmm, the entry is protected, I'm sure I could read it when you originally linkeed it. Do you think you could copy the list?

[conuly]

Sure, it's taken from somebody else itself.

A lot has been said about how to prevent rape. Women should learn self-defense. Women should lock themselves in their houses after dark. Women shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't wear short skirts. Women shouldn't leave drinks unattended. Fuck, they shouldn't dare to get drunk at all.

Instead of that bullshit, how about:

If a woman is drunk, don't rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, don't rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, don't rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, don't rape her.
If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, don't rape her.
If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend you're still hung up on, don't rape her.
If a woman is asleep in her bed, don't rape her.
If a woman is asleep in your bed, don't rape her.
If a woman is doing her laundry, don't rape her.
If a woman is in a coma, don't rape her.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of or about a particular activity, don't rape her.
If a woman has repeatedly refused a certain activity, don't rape her.
If a woman is not yet a woman, but a child, don't rape her.
If your girlfriend or wife is not in the mood, don't rape her.
If your step-daughter is watching TV, don't rape her.
If you break into a house and find a woman there, don't rape her.
If your friend thinks it's okay to rape someone, tell him it's not, and that he's not your friend.
If your "friend" tells you he raped someone, report him to the police.
If your frat-brother or another guy at the party tells you there's an unconscious woman upstairs and it's your turn, don't rape her, call the police and tell the guy he's a rapist.
Tell your sons, god-sons, nephews, grandsons, sons of friends it's not okay to rape someone.
Don't simply tell your women friends how to be safe and avoid rape.
Don't imply that she could have avoided it if she'd only done/not done x.
Don't imply that it's in any way her fault.
Don't let silence imply agreement when someone tells you he "got some" with the drunk girl.
If a woman/girl/female leaves a drink or food unattended, don't put anything in that drink or food. it's not yours. she is not yours. leave the drink or food alone.

Don't perpetuate a culture that tells you that you have no control over or responsibility for your actions.

(* Adding: the same goes for children and men, don't rape them)