conuly

You do know that ANYone can post ANYthing on PRWeb? I could issue a Press Release announcing my being named the Messiah and it would appear on the site.

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Oh... and here's (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7395411?rnd=1118937794114&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872) the article in Rolling Stone.

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conuly

Yeah, I know. That's not the point. People really do believe the stories about epidemics and vaccinations.

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Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

I believe this. You know what else happened in 1991? The diagnostic criteria for autism changed. The concept of the autistic spectrum ended up in the DSM. That, coupled with better diagnoses... well, what do you expect to happen when you fiddle with the diagnostic criteria to make more people considered autistic? Do you expect the numbers to go down? Correlation, in this case, definitely does not equal causation.

In 2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism.

So, what, he was bought for 10k? That's a little cheap for big league politics, isn't it?

Some skeptics dispute that the rise in autism is caused by thimerosal-tainted vaccinations. They argue that the increase is a result of better diagnosis -- a theory that seems questionable at best, given that most of the new cases of autism are clustered within a single generation of children. "If the epidemic is truly an artifact of poor diagnosis," scoffs Dr. Boyd Haley, one of the world's authorities on mercury toxicity, "then where are all the twenty-year-old autistics?"

*waves hand*

If you look at the numbers, you see that many people are getting diagnoses as adults - or are deciding against getting diagnosed as adults, even though the odds are that they're autistic. Where's the 80 year old lefties? The 75 year old gay people? Come off it.

Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines twenty years ago, and Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have since followed suit.

Hm. I read news from England. I don't think that they have any less cases of autism than we do here.

Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines -- the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in experiments -- Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the Amish. He found only four.

Which proves that the Amish are less likely to be autistic - but that could mean anything. All the research I've seen shows that autism is likely genetic. The Amish are known for having a number of genetic abnormalities. A reduced change of autism could be one of them.

"The fact that Iowa's 700 percent increase in autism began in the 1990s, right after more and more vaccines were added to the children's vaccine schedules, is solid evidence alone."

See earlier comment about what else happened in the 90s.

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Kick me in the shins if this has been pointed out to you a million times before, but your icon has a typo in it I think. What is that from, anyway?

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OOH nevermind, I totally read it wrong. But my question still stands :)

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conuly

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I see no point in hepatitis B being given to newborns.

It is not a safe vaccine (look up the VAERS numbers -- more get harmed by the jab than the disease, especially as children) and newborns are not at a high risk for it (it is mostly sexual and drug use). Our children are overvacinated and parents need to keep informed and not pump their children full of chemicals for no reason.

Chicken pox I'm not so sure about, either.

What about the one they gave in the 90s that was killing children, for -- I forget now but I was so thankful my doctor skipped it?

Too many people are sheep and willing to drug their kids up, and worse, do several mixed jabs at a time. Thank goodness I have an intelligent doctor that doesn't mix things up, is careful, and lets me wait and go on a slower schedule.

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*nods* Children do get harmed by vaccines. We just keep doing them because most children wind up better for them. But I think it's good to space them out and look at each case vaccine by vaccine and decide if/when to do them.

When my brother was a child (born in 1969), my father refused to have him get the smallpox vaccination. My older sisters had been given it, and he was fine with that. But by the time my brother was around, he felt the risk from the vaccine was greater than the risk of smallpox. When my next brother (1973) and myself (1977) were the right age, it wasn't even an issue because they'd stopped giving smallpox vaccines.

I don't think vaccines cause autism, but vaccines do involve a risk. So, cost-benefit analysis is better than just tossing them at kids without thinking.

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I also think by delaying a little you're helping your child -- if there are any problems better when your child is older, stronger, and can handle treatments for any problems that come up.

I would probably have a different attitude if my children were in daycare though -- I honestly don't know how I would feel.

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Apparently in Britain, studies are starting to show consistently that (1) autism can be caused by overexposure to mercury but (2) the amount of mercury in vaccinations is so small that it's thought that environmental mercury is the source. Fish, for one. There's as much mercury in a helping of fish as in a vaccine. (Okay, I don't actually know the amounts. But in any case, people get a lot more mercury exposure from fish than vaccines.)

Britain is having outbreaks of various things that used to be vaccinated against, so this is big news over there. So sayeth the British husband. Can't vouch for the truth of any of this, myself.

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We're in the grip of a mumps epidemic, yes. When it started last Easter everyone said "aaah yes, that's because all the university students are too young to have had mumps as children and too old to have had the MMR jab, tchtchtch let's stick as many needles in our children as we can" and looked very smug and self-satisfied. Despite it being bollocks (I'm slap-bang in the group at risk and had mumps as a baby and every child in my school was given MMR when I was 9, except the small number of us who opted out.)

Then 10 months on it finally escaped the universities it had been confined to and started hitting the general populace. Including a lot of people who had been fully MMRed (my cousin amongst them.)

And now people are beginning to wonder how effective the MMR is.

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I know my husband never had the MMR—just the measles and rubella vaccines, separately. When he was applying for residency here, he had to have a blood titer done to prove he had the antibodies to mumps (from having them as a child), since the MMR is one of the US's required vaccines for immigrants (unless they already have the antibodies, obviously).

I had the MMR series, but when I worked in a public health clinic they did a similar titer (just for measles and rubella) and I was negative for measles antibodies so I had to be re-vaccinated. Which they insisted on doing right then. I worked eight hours with a 104° fever that day. :-/

OTOH, obviously I wouldn't vouch for the MMR's effectiveness 15 years after my last booster, but certainly the measles portion is effective in young kids—there've been a few isolated measles outbreaks among kids who weren't vaccinated.

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conuly

Off-topic, but jabs? British, much?

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1. Easier to spell.

2. Lived there a couple of years.

3. Am currently reading British women's mags -- mom brought em back for me.

4. Profit!

Mostly #1 because I learned it during #2. :D (Although probably before then because I worked as a go between for a London office and a NY office and that included being the right hand person for one of their transplants.)

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conuly

Easier to spell than shot? I can see that it's easier to spell than injection, but...

I'm not complaining, I'm just curious.

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I meant easier than vaccine. I always drop c's, add e's...

Shots always make me think of dogs, for whatever reason.

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Thats my big problem with the chicken pox jab. I would rather my children got it in the wild, and have a lifelong immunity, than lose their immunity down the road, when it is dangerous to get it.

However since my daughter has not been exposed to it yet, and she's starting to get older, we're probably going to do it now. Just want to make sure she gets boosters.

No one even gets tetanus boosters anymore, really, and they should. (I should talk I'm late for mine. Last one was about 12 years ago.)

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You do know that ANYone can post ANYthing on PRWeb? I could issue a Press Release announcing my being named the Messiah and it would appear on the site.

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Oh... and here's (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7395411?rnd=1118937794114&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872) the article in Rolling Stone.

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conuly

Yeah, I know. That's not the point. People really do believe the stories about epidemics and vaccinations.

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conuly

Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

I believe this. You know what else happened in 1991? The diagnostic criteria for autism changed. The concept of the autistic spectrum ended up in the DSM. That, coupled with better diagnoses... well, what do you expect to happen when you fiddle with the diagnostic criteria to make more people considered autistic? Do you expect the numbers to go down? Correlation, in this case, definitely does not equal causation.

In 2002, the day after Frist quietly slipped a rider known as the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" into a homeland security bill, the company contributed $10,000 to his campaign and bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism.

So, what, he was bought for 10k? That's a little cheap for big league politics, isn't it?

Some skeptics dispute that the rise in autism is caused by thimerosal-tainted vaccinations. They argue that the increase is a result of better diagnosis -- a theory that seems questionable at best, given that most of the new cases of autism are clustered within a single generation of children. "If the epidemic is truly an artifact of poor diagnosis," scoffs Dr. Boyd Haley, one of the world's authorities on mercury toxicity, "then where are all the twenty-year-old autistics?"

*waves hand*

If you look at the numbers, you see that many people are getting diagnoses as adults - or are deciding against getting diagnosed as adults, even though the odds are that they're autistic. Where's the 80 year old lefties? The 75 year old gay people? Come off it.

Russia banned thimerosal from children's vaccines twenty years ago, and Denmark, Austria, Japan, Great Britain and all the Scandinavian countries have since followed suit.

Hm. I read news from England. I don't think that they have any less cases of autism than we do here.

Searching for children who had not been exposed to mercury in vaccines -- the kind of population that scientists typically use as a "control" in experiments -- Olmsted scoured the Amish of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, who refuse to immunize their infants. Given the national rate of autism, Olmsted calculated that there should be 130 autistics among the Amish. He found only four.

Which proves that the Amish are less likely to be autistic - but that could mean anything. All the research I've seen shows that autism is likely genetic. The Amish are known for having a number of genetic abnormalities. A reduced change of autism could be one of them.

"The fact that Iowa's 700 percent increase in autism began in the 1990s, right after more and more vaccines were added to the children's vaccine schedules, is solid evidence alone."

See earlier comment about what else happened in the 90s.

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Kick me in the shins if this has been pointed out to you a million times before, but your icon has a typo in it I think. What is that from, anyway?

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OOH nevermind, I totally read it wrong. But my question still stands :)

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conuly

Alias.

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I see no point in hepatitis B being given to newborns.

It is not a safe vaccine (look up the VAERS numbers -- more get harmed by the jab than the disease, especially as children) and newborns are not at a high risk for it (it is mostly sexual and drug use). Our children are overvacinated and parents need to keep informed and not pump their children full of chemicals for no reason.

Chicken pox I'm not so sure about, either.

What about the one they gave in the 90s that was killing children, for -- I forget now but I was so thankful my doctor skipped it?

Too many people are sheep and willing to drug their kids up, and worse, do several mixed jabs at a time. Thank goodness I have an intelligent doctor that doesn't mix things up, is careful, and lets me wait and go on a slower schedule.

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leora.livejournal.com

*nods* Children do get harmed by vaccines. We just keep doing them because most children wind up better for them. But I think it's good to space them out and look at each case vaccine by vaccine and decide if/when to do them.

When my brother was a child (born in 1969), my father refused to have him get the smallpox vaccination. My older sisters had been given it, and he was fine with that. But by the time my brother was around, he felt the risk from the vaccine was greater than the risk of smallpox. When my next brother (1973) and myself (1977) were the right age, it wasn't even an issue because they'd stopped giving smallpox vaccines.

I don't think vaccines cause autism, but vaccines do involve a risk. So, cost-benefit analysis is better than just tossing them at kids without thinking.

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I also think by delaying a little you're helping your child -- if there are any problems better when your child is older, stronger, and can handle treatments for any problems that come up.

I would probably have a different attitude if my children were in daycare though -- I honestly don't know how I would feel.

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Apparently in Britain, studies are starting to show consistently that (1) autism can be caused by overexposure to mercury but (2) the amount of mercury in vaccinations is so small that it's thought that environmental mercury is the source. Fish, for one. There's as much mercury in a helping of fish as in a vaccine. (Okay, I don't actually know the amounts. But in any case, people get a lot more mercury exposure from fish than vaccines.)

Britain is having outbreaks of various things that used to be vaccinated against, so this is big news over there. So sayeth the British husband. Can't vouch for the truth of any of this, myself.

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eofs.livejournal.com

We're in the grip of a mumps epidemic, yes. When it started last Easter everyone said "aaah yes, that's because all the university students are too young to have had mumps as children and too old to have had the MMR jab, tchtchtch let's stick as many needles in our children as we can" and looked very smug and self-satisfied. Despite it being bollocks (I'm slap-bang in the group at risk and had mumps as a baby and every child in my school was given MMR when I was 9, except the small number of us who opted out.)

Then 10 months on it finally escaped the universities it had been confined to and started hitting the general populace. Including a lot of people who had been fully MMRed (my cousin amongst them.)

And now people are beginning to wonder how effective the MMR is.

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I know my husband never had the MMR—just the measles and rubella vaccines, separately. When he was applying for residency here, he had to have a blood titer done to prove he had the antibodies to mumps (from having them as a child), since the MMR is one of the US's required vaccines for immigrants (unless they already have the antibodies, obviously).

I had the MMR series, but when I worked in a public health clinic they did a similar titer (just for measles and rubella) and I was negative for measles antibodies so I had to be re-vaccinated. Which they insisted on doing right then. I worked eight hours with a 104° fever that day. :-/

OTOH, obviously I wouldn't vouch for the MMR's effectiveness 15 years after my last booster, but certainly the measles portion is effective in young kids—there've been a few isolated measles outbreaks among kids who weren't vaccinated.

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conuly

Off-topic, but jabs? British, much?

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1. Easier to spell.

2. Lived there a couple of years.

3. Am currently reading British women's mags -- mom brought em back for me.

4. Profit!

Mostly #1 because I learned it during #2. :D (Although probably before then because I worked as a go between for a London office and a NY office and that included being the right hand person for one of their transplants.)

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conuly

Easier to spell than shot? I can see that it's easier to spell than injection, but...

I'm not complaining, I'm just curious.

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I meant easier than vaccine. I always drop c's, add e's...

Shots always make me think of dogs, for whatever reason.

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