Holy fuck.

Apr. 21st, 2005 12:03 am
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This is some sort of belated April Fool's joke, right?

"Now there you go, trying to twist that too. And I don't mind you trying. It's not the woman's fault, it's not blaming the victim, but tell me what self respecting person is going back around someone who beats them?"

Please tell me that people really aren't that stupid. I was under the impression that a lot of this sort of abuse centers around eroding a person's self-respect. So, um, yeah?

And then, on top of that: Let's say you have your self-respect. You don't go back. Where do you live? How do you eat? What about the kids/pets?

Assault is a crime. Domestic violence kills. Humans, not chickens. Some sense, please?

(That's not even the worst of it, but I couldn't take that crap on my journal)
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Date: 2005-04-20 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neurotica0.livejournal.com
Ever consider that many of them don't have anywhere to go?
Ever consider that survival sometimes involves taking the best scenario, even if it's by no means pleasant.

The first 6 (not sure on that number exactly) months after a woman leaves her abuser can be the most dangerous for her. That loss of control and power for the abuser can cause the violence to escalate. Many women who leave their abusers become the victims of stalker, further assault, and sometimes murder.

Date: 2005-04-20 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottrossi.livejournal.com
you know, it could just be plain ignorance talking in my situation. around me, there are several women's shelters that take in alot of women plus alot of outreach groups as well, so women around me dont seem to have it as bad off as i am sure they do elsewhere. i probably should have considered that before opening my yap.

*inserts foot into mouth*

:)

Date: 2005-04-20 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
Let me guess. You have never been a victim of abuse. You have no idea what it is like. And judging by your icon, you're male, too.

Date: 2005-04-20 11:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griphus.livejournal.com
don't bring his balls into this one. men are abused too, but the media doesn't let that out all easy-like. it can be just as bad, sometimes worse.

Date: 2005-04-20 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
I don't deny that men are abused as well as women. What I object to is men making generalizations about women's experiences.

Date: 2005-04-21 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griphus.livejournal.com
Well, not to start a flame war (and i hope we're both mature enough not to), but i don't like anyone assuming generalizations are made due to one's gender.

Date: 2005-04-21 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainbow-goddess.livejournal.com
Okay, let me put it this way: I don't like it when someone makes generalizations about a group they don't belong to.

Date: 2005-04-21 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griphus.livejournal.com
perfect. we're in agreement on that.

well...

Date: 2005-04-20 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottrossi.livejournal.com
you are right on one count. i am a male.

i have been a victim of sexual abuse and i got out of the situation as soon as i was old enough to realize what was going on, so i know what it feels like. what i was admitting i guess was that it was unfair for me to apply my surroundings and experiences to other people.

it was fairly easy for me to get out of the situation as all i had to do was tell someone and that relative never came around again. simple, problem gone. i forget that not everyone has it as lightly as that. not that the recovery has been nice, but we won't go into that, this is not the time nor place.

Date: 2005-04-20 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moggymania.livejournal.com
It's because they develop a psych disorder called Stockholm Syndrome -- same reason that abused children try to protect their abusers even though it means continuing to be mistreated. Anybody, if put under certain conditions, will develop it.

Here's a good info page on how it develops, where the name came from, etc.:
http://www.drjoecarver.com/articles_stockholm.html

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