*boggles*

[conuly]

"The more daylight we have, the less electricity we use," said Markey, who cited Transportation Department estimates that showed the two-month extension would save the equivalent of 10,000 barrels of oil a day.

YOU DON'T GET MORE DAYLIGHT! You just shift the clock so that you're more likely to be out during the daylight. Do you want to save oil? Make laws so that friggin' streetlights aren't on at 10am! All the time! Make laws so that government offices use the most energy efficient bulbs, and don't turn on the lights when they're unnecessary.

And stop with the stupid daylight savings scam. Evil thing.

Edit: You know, what they ought to do is have the streetlights on those non-timers they have, so they turn on when there's a certain amount of darkness, not at a specific time. Ooh, and they could even set it up so that they light up a different amount depending on how dark it is. That'd be cool. And then you wouldn't walk down a street at noon and see streetlights on unless it was very cloudy out. I hate that.

Comments

[neurotica0.livejournal.com]

Man, I hate daylight saving time.
I'd like to move to Arizona.

[strangelette.livejournal.com]

*chuckles* I just emailed that around. My favorite is the continual assertion that electricity has anything to do with oil. The only time it has anything to do with oil is during the absolute peak load time on the hottest/coldest days of the year when some power companies use diesel generators for an hour or so. The US has no coal shortage so it's absolutely irrelevant how much oil it would save. So, yes, efficiency! What you said.

[conuly]

Peak time... hottest days...

So, what you're saying is we'd benefit by having less people out and about when there's more sun, since it's cooler at night anyway?

[strangelette.livejournal.com]

Ooh, see I was so caught up in my electricity ≠ oil rant I didn't even think about it that way. That could be true - and the potential for shutting large office building A/C systems down earlier is always good because the urban heat island effect can push the hottest part of the day later.

(I have a test on energy and the environment in 45 minutes and this is the closest I've come to studying this morning - Gold Star for conuly :)

[thren0dy.livejournal.com]

Hate hate HATE daylight savings time!

[wodhaund.livejournal.com]

You do so get more daylight!

Like, see, we moved the clocks forward which means the sun rises sooner which means it moves slower in the sky....

Or something.

Oooh, the streetlamps could be like those neato sunglasses that darken and lighten depending on if you're inside or outside!

[conuly]

They sell porch lights like that.

[moggymania.livejournal.com]

"You know, what they ought to do is have the streetlights on those non-timers they have, so they turn on when there's a certain amount of darkness, not at a specific time."

I'm surprised -- ours have run on light-sensors as long as I can remember, and they only come on after it's gotten quite dark (much more so than you'd see if it's cloudy), I had no idea that wasn't the norm!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I was amazed too. I live in perpetually cloudy England and even we have light reactive streetlights.

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

I've never seen those.

Not once in my life. =/

[conuly]

We don't have them here.

[baileyflower.livejournal.com]

likewise. one of the games I'd play as a child was to aim roman candles at the streetlights to trip the sensor and shut them off for a while.

[feasel.livejournal.com]

I fucking hate Daylight Savings Time. Screws up my schedule so bad. :/

[eofs.livejournal.com]

How does it do that? It's just like getting one hour of jet lag which is so little as to not be noticable. I jump across a timezone and back without noticing and have never had a problem with summertime except for looking out of the window and saying "is it really 7 o'clock? It's so light." Heck, this year I flew east 12 hours after clocks went forward so I did two hours in one day and didn't notice.

[conuly]

Many people get screwed up much more easily than you do. That's why both times changes, in fall and spring, are linked to an increase in car accidents.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

Oh I can understand that I adjust to the change easily and not all, but I still can't see how it would be such a huge problem that affects you for weeks. The normal recovery time for jetlag is one hour a day and I don't get why this should be any different from one hour jetlag (and as I say, no one I know even considers hopping across one timezone as a jetlagable experience.)

[feasel.livejournal.com]

It screws me up because I stay up until three or four in the morning most mornings. I'm up by noon on workdays. I'm not too good at keeping track of when we're setting the clocks by, so I'm all set to go to bed at four, and oops, it's FIVE, and I do NOT do well on eight hours of sleep. I just don't. Period.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

Set an alarm for when you need to go to bed at the latest? (Perverse, but it should work.) Of course except until you hit summer, there's no difference daylightwise between 4 and 5 here.

[feasel.livejournal.com]

...I wasn't talking about the difference daylight-wise. There isn't any difference here. I was talking about how it screws up my schedule for one day, and possibly the rest of the workweek after that depending on whether I'm smart enough to catch up on my sleep or not. I don't know why you feel the need to pick at me for one little comment on one little post about how I don't like Daylight Savings Time! I did not intend it to be made into a debate. Please stop now; I am having the most horrid week, and you are making my head hurt.

[stejcruetekie.livejournal.com]

Maybe Staten Island is just a weird place, because the other four boroughs of NYC sure don't have this problem with the street lamps. Occasionally I'll see a lamp here or there, which usually means a broken photoelectric sensor. Hardly a big deal. Also, the type of bulbs used in street lamps generally cannot have varying brightness - they work through a gas conversion that has to be at a minimum temperature.

The government *should* be more energy efficient, yes, but the vast majority of energy use is from the private sector, which is why changing the times is the easiest way of having *everyone* alter their energy use.

[neurotica0.livejournal.com]

Man, I hate daylight saving time.
I'd like to move to Arizona.

[strangelette.livejournal.com]

*chuckles* I just emailed that around. My favorite is the continual assertion that electricity has anything to do with oil. The only time it has anything to do with oil is during the absolute peak load time on the hottest/coldest days of the year when some power companies use diesel generators for an hour or so. The US has no coal shortage so it's absolutely irrelevant how much oil it would save. So, yes, efficiency! What you said.

[conuly]

Peak time... hottest days...

So, what you're saying is we'd benefit by having less people out and about when there's more sun, since it's cooler at night anyway?

[strangelette.livejournal.com]

Ooh, see I was so caught up in my electricity ≠ oil rant I didn't even think about it that way. That could be true - and the potential for shutting large office building A/C systems down earlier is always good because the urban heat island effect can push the hottest part of the day later.

(I have a test on energy and the environment in 45 minutes and this is the closest I've come to studying this morning - Gold Star for conuly :)

[thren0dy.livejournal.com]

Hate hate HATE daylight savings time!

[wodhaund.livejournal.com]

You do so get more daylight!

Like, see, we moved the clocks forward which means the sun rises sooner which means it moves slower in the sky....

Or something.

Oooh, the streetlamps could be like those neato sunglasses that darken and lighten depending on if you're inside or outside!

[conuly]

They sell porch lights like that.

[moggymania.livejournal.com]

"You know, what they ought to do is have the streetlights on those non-timers they have, so they turn on when there's a certain amount of darkness, not at a specific time."

I'm surprised -- ours have run on light-sensors as long as I can remember, and they only come on after it's gotten quite dark (much more so than you'd see if it's cloudy), I had no idea that wasn't the norm!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I was amazed too. I live in perpetually cloudy England and even we have light reactive streetlights.

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

I've never seen those.

Not once in my life. =/

[conuly]

We don't have them here.

[baileyflower.livejournal.com]

likewise. one of the games I'd play as a child was to aim roman candles at the streetlights to trip the sensor and shut them off for a while.

[feasel.livejournal.com]

I fucking hate Daylight Savings Time. Screws up my schedule so bad. :/

[eofs.livejournal.com]

How does it do that? It's just like getting one hour of jet lag which is so little as to not be noticable. I jump across a timezone and back without noticing and have never had a problem with summertime except for looking out of the window and saying "is it really 7 o'clock? It's so light." Heck, this year I flew east 12 hours after clocks went forward so I did two hours in one day and didn't notice.

[conuly]

Many people get screwed up much more easily than you do. That's why both times changes, in fall and spring, are linked to an increase in car accidents.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

Oh I can understand that I adjust to the change easily and not all, but I still can't see how it would be such a huge problem that affects you for weeks. The normal recovery time for jetlag is one hour a day and I don't get why this should be any different from one hour jetlag (and as I say, no one I know even considers hopping across one timezone as a jetlagable experience.)

[feasel.livejournal.com]

It screws me up because I stay up until three or four in the morning most mornings. I'm up by noon on workdays. I'm not too good at keeping track of when we're setting the clocks by, so I'm all set to go to bed at four, and oops, it's FIVE, and I do NOT do well on eight hours of sleep. I just don't. Period.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

Set an alarm for when you need to go to bed at the latest? (Perverse, but it should work.) Of course except until you hit summer, there's no difference daylightwise between 4 and 5 here.

[feasel.livejournal.com]

...I wasn't talking about the difference daylight-wise. There isn't any difference here. I was talking about how it screws up my schedule for one day, and possibly the rest of the workweek after that depending on whether I'm smart enough to catch up on my sleep or not. I don't know why you feel the need to pick at me for one little comment on one little post about how I don't like Daylight Savings Time! I did not intend it to be made into a debate. Please stop now; I am having the most horrid week, and you are making my head hurt.

[stejcruetekie.livejournal.com]

Maybe Staten Island is just a weird place, because the other four boroughs of NYC sure don't have this problem with the street lamps. Occasionally I'll see a lamp here or there, which usually means a broken photoelectric sensor. Hardly a big deal. Also, the type of bulbs used in street lamps generally cannot have varying brightness - they work through a gas conversion that has to be at a minimum temperature.

The government *should* be more energy efficient, yes, but the vast majority of energy use is from the private sector, which is why changing the times is the easiest way of having *everyone* alter their energy use.