I'm going to regret reading this....
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http://operationsaveamerica.org/streets/nc/gigbts-campaign-kicks-off-with-bang.htm
The “God is Going Back to School” Campaign Kicks off with a Bang!
Considering that I've heard "kick it" for "dies", this could be good news. Maybe God got pissed off at being sent to school like an ignorant child?
God's Word was proclaimed at North Mecklenburg High School in Huntersville, NC. There are 2800 students at North Mecklenburg. Flip and crew had 1400 pieces of literature to start with and only 200 when it was all said and done. Today, the message was “ Abortion is Murder – Homosexuality is Sin – Islam is a Lie, What do these Three Have in Common” (This is the title of the brochure that was handed out). They had several signs and banners proclaiming that Jesus is Lord. Those were the only signs posted. They went with Jesus in their hearts and smiles on their faces to proclaim the “good news” to the students of North Mecklenburg. The response from the students reached all the way to Dallas, TX.
I cannot believe this person typed that sentence with a straight face. I can't believe it.
I'm also not sure why "you're a sinful, lying murderer" is "good news" and "be kind to others and do good things and love people" doesn't, apparently, even get a cameo.
The first two calls caught me a little caught off guard. I didn't understand what they were trying to say – I was just being cussed at.
What a lack of Christian charity from her callers! Seriously, people shouldn't do that. We should endeavor to appear less childish than those whom we oppose.
My third call was actually someone, I felt, wanted to have an honest conversation, although it was a heated one.
I wish this guy had had a script like she apparently had. Alas, that does not seem to have been the case. Read on....
This young man said that he was gay and very offended by our literature. I asked him what exactly he was offended about. He seemed dumbfounded by my question and stated that he was gay and we were saying that he was awful.
I would've been dumbfounded too! If I passed out literature to her saying "Breeding is a sin! Christianity is a lie!" and then had the nerve to ask what offended, I'd expect to be smacked!
He began to tell me that his “lifestyle choice” was not sin and that he did not believe in Jesus. I told him that just because one sincerely believes something, does not make it true. He responded with, “Jesus is not true.”
1. He probably didn't say "lifestyle choice".
2. See, here's his big mistake. Instead of saying "Jesus isn't true" he should've just parroted back her line about belief and asked why she believed in Jesus. Then he could pick any other deity and repeat her lines verbatim. Or tried it atheist style, but that doesn't work so well.
At that point, I asked him, “Can I just say one thing?” He said, “Yes.” and truly listened. I explained that if what he is saying is true – that we are all okay with whatever “god” we choose, no matter what we believe – then I will have lived my life and in the end, will have lost nothing. On the other hand, if what I say is true – that Jesus is Lord and we must confess our sins and be brought into a right relationship with Him – then he, this young man who said he was gay, has everything to lose. I asked him to please think about that.
Pascal's Wager? Ick. If God works like that, I wouldn't go to Heaven if he paid me. I have my conscience, thanks, and I'm damn well not spending eternity sucking up to some twit of a deity. And if that's your conception of God, I'm sorry to hear it, because you might as well just unfriend me now.
He then began to tell me that he was Islamic. Nice try.
And she didn't believe him why? (Possibly because the word is Muslim, but.)
My final comment to him was that Jesus loved him too much for him to be used as a as a sexual toy for grown men - at that point, he hung up.
Gee, I wonder why. Is this woman completely dense that she doesn't know how to convert people?
I then received a call from a young lady who told me that it was morally wrong for us to be at her school, and that she was sure that we were breaking laws.
Oooh, bad move. You're never going to convince them on the moral side, and outside the school isn't, I believe, illegal. If you think it is, ignore the fundies and call the cops.
I asked her again to define the word “moral.” She said that we were upsetting people and that Christians needed to be more tolerant of others who didn't believe the same, like homosexuals and Muslims.
Bet she didn't start quoting the Bible. Geez, I could've done a better job than this.
My response was that Christians had to stand on the Word of God and proclaim that Jesus is Lord so that others could find freedom in Him.
When governments go somewhere in the name of spreading freedom, and say that you'll be free so long as you do what they want, but if you don't do what you want they'll torture you, we don't call that freedom. When God does this, we do?
She said they were slowing traffic. I told her that I would give her that one
That actually may have been illegal. Should've called the cops.
After we went back and forth a little more, and it suited her argument, she then told me that she was a Christian – she just wasn't a “ fundi ” like me.
Fundie. There's an e at the end. Unlike the one in potato.
If you have been in the pro-life community for any length of time you know who uses the word “fundi.” That is a word coined by the pro-aborts to mean fundamentalist Christian, which of course is the worst thing to be on the planet. It means, to them, someone judgmental, bigoted, violent, with an IQ of one below plant-life. The truth of it is really that a “fundi” is one who actually believes that Jesus is Lord, and goes to the abortion mill to offer moms a real choice – the saving power of Jesus! Jesus laid His life down so that others might live. There was no violence found in Him and He is our model.
1. Pro-abort? That's a new one.
2. Well, you are sounding judgmental and bigoted, sweetie. I'll give you that you don't sound violent or particularily stupid, but.
3. *laughs* The saving power of Jesus? What is he, a coupon? Or maybe a really good cleaner, that gets out tough stains so you don't have to throw the clothes away?
4. If they want to offer a real choice, they can do something. I have never met somebody who calls themself "pro-life" who has offered to help pay the bills for a baby, who has offered to adopt a baby who would otherwise have been aborted, who has gone out of his or her way to help young and poor moms. Funny, they seem to spend their time... doing this.
I didn't have time to get into all that because I had already responded to her that she was not a Christian. She asked how I knew that. I told her that Christians know that everyone has a sin nature that needs to be repented of and that it manifests itself in many ways. It can be through homosexual lusts, or heterosexual sin, or even false ideologies such as Islam. Once again, I heard a click and no one responded. Hmmmm!
See, she doesn't want to convert people. She wants to make them mad so they leave her alone. That's not very Christ-like.
I then started praying for God to give me wisdom on how to conduct these phone calls.
And she does need it. Because however you slice it, she's a twit. She insults the very people she wants to convert. (Actually, that's probably for the best)
This situation is just like being at the abortion mill.
Abortion mill, abortion mill. So... like, the abortions turn a wheel and we get electricity? Or maybe the abortions are made into paper? Or a refreshing drink? Soylent cider is babies!
You know you have a very short time to get something into their hearts and minds to further their thinking towards God's Truth.
Shorter if you drive them to hang up.
Often, what is needed is their own sinful nature to be pointed out to them. This is not done out of spite. Our sinful nature is what keeps us separated from God.
Except that it's always at this point that the person on the other side realizes they have better things to do with their days. For example, clipping their toenails.
The one prevailing thought that I heard throughout the day was how hateful we were and that what we were saying hurt people. Remember, there were no aborted baby pictures. The only thing they thought was “hurtful” was the message of salvation through Christ.
Which was... "if you're not like us, you're sinful, and you'll go to hell, because u b evul!!!111" wasn't it? Yeah, doesn't sound hurtful to me.
Of course most of these students professed to be Christians.
Maybe they have this weird idea about not doing hateful things to one another, and about not saying things which hurt.
If you want to have an impact in our nation, this is the outreach for you.
I think not. But you have inspired me to work helping out a pro-gay, pro-choice group. Like, now.
Jesus will be talked about all day long at this school.
Probably in the vein of "Jesus, did you see those crazy freaks out there? They made me late by blocking traffic!"
Our nation's kids have been taught to protect their “personal convictions,” whether or not they are based in truth, at all cost.
My god. Does she not see her hypocrisy?
How they feel about something is their truth.
She can't be saying this straight-faced.
If one comes with THE TRUTH (Jesus is God and apart from Him there is no other) and contradicts these “convictions,” he is instantly branded a judgmental, hate-monger.
Well, if you're saying judgmental, hateful things. Like "Ya'll gonna go to hay-ull".
We must battle the lies that threaten to overtake the godly principles that this nation was founded upon. We need to rescue the next generation from these lies that will destroy them and the nation that approves of them. You and I can do this! Jesus will help us!
Fuck no. This nation wasn't founded on anybody's "godly principles".
Damn. Now I feel bad. I knew I shouldn't've read it.
Warning: I strongly dislike fundamentalism of all sorts. Fundie theists, Fundie atheists, Fundie whatevers, I don't like it. If I've strayed over the line to insulting Christianity instead of just being righteously pissed at fundamentalists, please tell me. I honestly didn't mean to. My theory on religion is that, like sex, if it makes you happy, I'm happy for you. But like sex, I don't want to have it shoved in my face all the time.
Edit again: Actually, I do have a number of friends who are anti-abortion*. Youse guys don't irritate me like this, though I'm not about to debate the issue with you. I value my friends. It's possible that a few of you have actually done the helpful things I suggest, or plan to. If so, I commend you. This doesn't render my argument about the majority of anti-abortion people null and void. Unfortunately.
*Pro-life is a ridiculously loaded term, which is why it was chosen. Pro-choice is barely better. In fact, I'd almost prefer "pro-abort" if it were even remotely accurate. IF you are anti-war, anti-death penalty,vegan fruitarian (thank you, stej!), and anti-abortion, I will agree to call you pro-life. Otherwise, suck it up and accept anti-abortion.
The “God is Going Back to School” Campaign Kicks off with a Bang!
Considering that I've heard "kick it" for "dies", this could be good news. Maybe God got pissed off at being sent to school like an ignorant child?
God's Word was proclaimed at North Mecklenburg High School in Huntersville, NC. There are 2800 students at North Mecklenburg. Flip and crew had 1400 pieces of literature to start with and only 200 when it was all said and done. Today, the message was “ Abortion is Murder – Homosexuality is Sin – Islam is a Lie, What do these Three Have in Common” (This is the title of the brochure that was handed out). They had several signs and banners proclaiming that Jesus is Lord. Those were the only signs posted. They went with Jesus in their hearts and smiles on their faces to proclaim the “good news” to the students of North Mecklenburg. The response from the students reached all the way to Dallas, TX.
I cannot believe this person typed that sentence with a straight face. I can't believe it.
I'm also not sure why "you're a sinful, lying murderer" is "good news" and "be kind to others and do good things and love people" doesn't, apparently, even get a cameo.
The first two calls caught me a little caught off guard. I didn't understand what they were trying to say – I was just being cussed at.
What a lack of Christian charity from her callers! Seriously, people shouldn't do that. We should endeavor to appear less childish than those whom we oppose.
My third call was actually someone, I felt, wanted to have an honest conversation, although it was a heated one.
I wish this guy had had a script like she apparently had. Alas, that does not seem to have been the case. Read on....
This young man said that he was gay and very offended by our literature. I asked him what exactly he was offended about. He seemed dumbfounded by my question and stated that he was gay and we were saying that he was awful.
I would've been dumbfounded too! If I passed out literature to her saying "Breeding is a sin! Christianity is a lie!" and then had the nerve to ask what offended, I'd expect to be smacked!
He began to tell me that his “lifestyle choice” was not sin and that he did not believe in Jesus. I told him that just because one sincerely believes something, does not make it true. He responded with, “Jesus is not true.”
1. He probably didn't say "lifestyle choice".
2. See, here's his big mistake. Instead of saying "Jesus isn't true" he should've just parroted back her line about belief and asked why she believed in Jesus. Then he could pick any other deity and repeat her lines verbatim. Or tried it atheist style, but that doesn't work so well.
At that point, I asked him, “Can I just say one thing?” He said, “Yes.” and truly listened. I explained that if what he is saying is true – that we are all okay with whatever “god” we choose, no matter what we believe – then I will have lived my life and in the end, will have lost nothing. On the other hand, if what I say is true – that Jesus is Lord and we must confess our sins and be brought into a right relationship with Him – then he, this young man who said he was gay, has everything to lose. I asked him to please think about that.
Pascal's Wager? Ick. If God works like that, I wouldn't go to Heaven if he paid me. I have my conscience, thanks, and I'm damn well not spending eternity sucking up to some twit of a deity. And if that's your conception of God, I'm sorry to hear it, because you might as well just unfriend me now.
He then began to tell me that he was Islamic. Nice try.
And she didn't believe him why? (Possibly because the word is Muslim, but.)
My final comment to him was that Jesus loved him too much for him to be used as a as a sexual toy for grown men - at that point, he hung up.
Gee, I wonder why. Is this woman completely dense that she doesn't know how to convert people?
I then received a call from a young lady who told me that it was morally wrong for us to be at her school, and that she was sure that we were breaking laws.
Oooh, bad move. You're never going to convince them on the moral side, and outside the school isn't, I believe, illegal. If you think it is, ignore the fundies and call the cops.
I asked her again to define the word “moral.” She said that we were upsetting people and that Christians needed to be more tolerant of others who didn't believe the same, like homosexuals and Muslims.
Bet she didn't start quoting the Bible. Geez, I could've done a better job than this.
My response was that Christians had to stand on the Word of God and proclaim that Jesus is Lord so that others could find freedom in Him.
When governments go somewhere in the name of spreading freedom, and say that you'll be free so long as you do what they want, but if you don't do what you want they'll torture you, we don't call that freedom. When God does this, we do?
She said they were slowing traffic. I told her that I would give her that one
That actually may have been illegal. Should've called the cops.
After we went back and forth a little more, and it suited her argument, she then told me that she was a Christian – she just wasn't a “ fundi ” like me.
Fundie. There's an e at the end. Unlike the one in potato.
If you have been in the pro-life community for any length of time you know who uses the word “fundi.” That is a word coined by the pro-aborts to mean fundamentalist Christian, which of course is the worst thing to be on the planet. It means, to them, someone judgmental, bigoted, violent, with an IQ of one below plant-life. The truth of it is really that a “fundi” is one who actually believes that Jesus is Lord, and goes to the abortion mill to offer moms a real choice – the saving power of Jesus! Jesus laid His life down so that others might live. There was no violence found in Him and He is our model.
1. Pro-abort? That's a new one.
2. Well, you are sounding judgmental and bigoted, sweetie. I'll give you that you don't sound violent or particularily stupid, but.
3. *laughs* The saving power of Jesus? What is he, a coupon? Or maybe a really good cleaner, that gets out tough stains so you don't have to throw the clothes away?
4. If they want to offer a real choice, they can do something. I have never met somebody who calls themself "pro-life" who has offered to help pay the bills for a baby, who has offered to adopt a baby who would otherwise have been aborted, who has gone out of his or her way to help young and poor moms. Funny, they seem to spend their time... doing this.
I didn't have time to get into all that because I had already responded to her that she was not a Christian. She asked how I knew that. I told her that Christians know that everyone has a sin nature that needs to be repented of and that it manifests itself in many ways. It can be through homosexual lusts, or heterosexual sin, or even false ideologies such as Islam. Once again, I heard a click and no one responded. Hmmmm!
See, she doesn't want to convert people. She wants to make them mad so they leave her alone. That's not very Christ-like.
I then started praying for God to give me wisdom on how to conduct these phone calls.
And she does need it. Because however you slice it, she's a twit. She insults the very people she wants to convert. (Actually, that's probably for the best)
This situation is just like being at the abortion mill.
Abortion mill, abortion mill. So... like, the abortions turn a wheel and we get electricity? Or maybe the abortions are made into paper? Or a refreshing drink? Soylent cider is babies!
You know you have a very short time to get something into their hearts and minds to further their thinking towards God's Truth.
Shorter if you drive them to hang up.
Often, what is needed is their own sinful nature to be pointed out to them. This is not done out of spite. Our sinful nature is what keeps us separated from God.
Except that it's always at this point that the person on the other side realizes they have better things to do with their days. For example, clipping their toenails.
The one prevailing thought that I heard throughout the day was how hateful we were and that what we were saying hurt people. Remember, there were no aborted baby pictures. The only thing they thought was “hurtful” was the message of salvation through Christ.
Which was... "if you're not like us, you're sinful, and you'll go to hell, because u b evul!!!111" wasn't it? Yeah, doesn't sound hurtful to me.
Of course most of these students professed to be Christians.
Maybe they have this weird idea about not doing hateful things to one another, and about not saying things which hurt.
If you want to have an impact in our nation, this is the outreach for you.
I think not. But you have inspired me to work helping out a pro-gay, pro-choice group. Like, now.
Jesus will be talked about all day long at this school.
Probably in the vein of "Jesus, did you see those crazy freaks out there? They made me late by blocking traffic!"
Our nation's kids have been taught to protect their “personal convictions,” whether or not they are based in truth, at all cost.
My god. Does she not see her hypocrisy?
How they feel about something is their truth.
She can't be saying this straight-faced.
If one comes with THE TRUTH (Jesus is God and apart from Him there is no other) and contradicts these “convictions,” he is instantly branded a judgmental, hate-monger.
Well, if you're saying judgmental, hateful things. Like "Ya'll gonna go to hay-ull".
We must battle the lies that threaten to overtake the godly principles that this nation was founded upon. We need to rescue the next generation from these lies that will destroy them and the nation that approves of them. You and I can do this! Jesus will help us!
Fuck no. This nation wasn't founded on anybody's "godly principles".
Damn. Now I feel bad. I knew I shouldn't've read it.
Warning: I strongly dislike fundamentalism of all sorts. Fundie theists, Fundie atheists, Fundie whatevers, I don't like it. If I've strayed over the line to insulting Christianity instead of just being righteously pissed at fundamentalists, please tell me. I honestly didn't mean to. My theory on religion is that, like sex, if it makes you happy, I'm happy for you. But like sex, I don't want to have it shoved in my face all the time.
Edit again: Actually, I do have a number of friends who are anti-abortion*. Youse guys don't irritate me like this, though I'm not about to debate the issue with you. I value my friends. It's possible that a few of you have actually done the helpful things I suggest, or plan to. If so, I commend you. This doesn't render my argument about the majority of anti-abortion people null and void. Unfortunately.
*Pro-life is a ridiculously loaded term, which is why it was chosen. Pro-choice is barely better. In fact, I'd almost prefer "pro-abort" if it were even remotely accurate. IF you are anti-war, anti-death penalty,
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Date: 2005-03-08 09:26 pm (UTC)And every time I hear someone using the "Word of God" as the Ultimate Smackdown for their "argument" (used in the loosest possible terms), I wonder why. Even if you presume that it was actually handed down from God to Man, after a couple of thousand years of editing and translation after translation, I'd start to wonder how much of it is actually what God said. I mean, look at what Babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com) does to a phrase after you run it through a few different languages and then back to the original.
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