What the hell?

[conuly]

Just read this.

I can't even comment. Just go read.

Comments

[http://users.livejournal.com/_outtonight/]

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[frogmajick.livejournal.com]

O_o

What a compassionate guy. /sarcasm

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I am, quite simply, astounded.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Ahh Virginia...a mere half-hour's drive from here.

I guess if this thing passes, I'l have one more reason not to move to any of the nice towns "just across the border."

*plans to post this in childfree_life*

[queenmargot.livejournal.com]

What? I mean, WHAT? Or... huh?

What exactly is the point of this? I mean, my mind is trying to make some anti-choice connection in my head, but it's not really making any sense.

[conuly]

It's about more control over women's bodies. That's plain to see. The logic involved is, of course, not earth logic, so it's kinda hard to explain the rest of the thinking.

[queenmargot.livejournal.com]

Riiiiight. I'm a big fan of earth logic. It's a shame when other people don't subscribe to it.

[rantinan.livejournal.com]

Looks like some asshat has womb envy.

Sersiously, that is the first thing that came into my head reading this. What we have here is a repressed republican transexual who is determined to punish anything with a womb because he cant have one and still hold true to his religeous crap.

Then another thread of personality just kicked up the phrase "legalising the madonna-whore complex"

Either way this is something so far beyond belief that i can bairly comprehend it. In Australia this would be so far beyond legal it's.......


*brain goes gonk trying to come up with good metaphor*


Revolution time.

[conuly]

Isn't it? On the other hand, sometimes it's kinda fun, in a scary sort of way, to try to decipher insane troll logic.

[conuly]

Australia... *contemplates moving. Again*

[eofs.livejournal.com]

It's a big step towards defining life as starting at conception.

Read down the comments - in Virginia you can now get a birth certificate for a stillborn.

[conuly]

Just don't get pregnant, you'll be fine. /irritated

[conuly]

I am, quite sadly, not.

[conuly]

*tilts head* Well, by definition a stillborn is, y'know, born. The result of a birth. I guess it makes the parents feel better, maybe...?

[rantinan.livejournal.com]

Hey, i'll put up illegial refugees. Could you stand living with two aspie trannies, a cat and a malyasian refugee otaku?

FYI we dont havethe right to remain suilent. we have the right not to comment on anythign else, but must identify ourself to police if asked. :)

[firingneurons.livejournal.com]

Argh... Fine, life starts at conception, but it's not exactly... The mother's FAULT for having a miscarriage. This is just... Stupid.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Yeah...thankfully THAT part is actively in my plan for life.

Thankfully, with my pills, any "product of conception" would be SO tiny and so unnoticeable...and not have nerve-endings yet...for me to be obligated to it anyway just because there's no way I could know. It wouldn't even have a chance to implant, so technically it couldn't be termed a miscarriage since it's not a pregnancy.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

(I just noticed - your comments are on GMT, not Pacific. Heehee.)

I kinda see it as a certificate of life, the opposite of a death certificate. And I dunno, it just makes me feel a little uneasy. Maybe I'm being bothered by nothing. (I can't work out whether it includes miscarriage, or if it's just stillborn - the former worries me more.)

[rantinan.livejournal.com]

the corollorery is that the cops may then not use that for anythign else ;) that whole right to privacy thing kicking in ha ha!

[eofs.livejournal.com]

Apparently (going from that article and the comments) it technically, thanks to Virginia law, would include any "products of conception" so a fertilised, unimplanted egg, would qualify. I think.

[conuly]

I don't see it the same way you do. If you carry a baby to term, you likely wanted the child. That's a lot of hopes and dreams, gone. Poof. You want to bury the kid, some people do baptisms on them, and a birth certificate can help ease the pain for some people. Otherwise, it's like saying you're not grieving anything.

[adiva_calandia]

Will someone please tell me what the hell trashcan babies have to do with natural miscarriages? I mean. . . what? WHAT?

*takes a few deep breath* Mister Law-maker, if you have an issue with babies being abandoned by their mothers -- which I will happily acknowledge as a problem -- why not set up a system like they have in, what is it, California? And Texas, for God's sake? Here, from the Nov. 2002 Reader's Digest:

A young El Monte, CA, woman dropped her healthy newborn at an emergency room entrance and disappeared. "People were outraged that a mother could abandon her baby like that," recalls [Debi] Faris, "and I was outraged they didn't see that she had cared enough to leave her child in a safe place." Faris called a local TV news reporter and asked why police were pursuing the El Monte woman, who had done the right thing. "I'm sorry, Ms. Faris," the reporter responded. "That's the law."

[Faris] learned that Texas had already passed a safe-haven law, and other states were introducing such bills. Babies can now be surrendered, and the mothers won't be persecuted for it.

So, Mr. Law-Maker, GET A CLUE. God. . . . And my red badge of courage arrived today, too.

thats disgusting

[scottrossi.livejournal.com]

that's utterly disgusting and reprehensible. as if these people don't have enough to worry about than having the police all up in their business and stuff. i am so angry about miscarriage ignorance as my friend had a really bad one a few years ago. she had a miscarriage and the baby came out and they buried it in the backyard and every year, on june 16th, she still puts flowers on it and such, and her and the father both get teary eyed over it NOW! four years afterward. how can legislators think they are doing justice or anything good by doing this? she coudnt talk to anyone for days because she thought she did it herself, its shameful.

[innerbrat]

Whereas, in the UK, you are required to get both a birth certificate and a death certificate for a still born.

*shrug*

It's the Magic Moment, isn't it? After that point, it's a human being, before that it isn't, because, you know, it can't possibly be a gradual process, can it.

(deleted the last comment because it wasn't supposed to be a reply to eofs)

[innerbrat]

This makes me feel physically sick. I can't articulate my abject disgust for humanity. Will post this everywhere I can find.