It's a new Chick Tract!

[conuly]

Yay?

Panels 1 and 2:

What's with them wearing skirts? Is that normal in schools? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Panels 3 and 4:

So, they're ready to convert because he's really cute? And why does everybody in Jack Chick's world send kids out to convert people?

Panels 5 and 6:

1. WTF happened to her grandpa? Did I miss something?
2. What's with the interrogation? Can't he answer a simple question?

Panels 7 and 8:

I'll say they're in danger if they're so gullible that they're ready to convert to a new religion after a day....

Panels 9 and 10:

I get a whiff of the racism here, though even our esteemed Mr. Chick is too intelligent to let that be blatant.

Panels 11 and 12:

She's all ears? How about "all eyes and pigtails and creepy expressions"? Because, man, I'm going to have nightmares about that grin. And yes, Muslims do tend to learn about Mohammed before converting. It's kinda like learning about Jesus before becoming Christian. If you don't, you're missing a lot of important information.

Panels 13 and 14:

No comment....

Panals 15 and 16:

God, they *are* gullible, converting after a day. What *is* it with everybody and this mad dash to evangelize?

Panels 17 and 18:

Ooh, creepy devil eyes and condescension!

Panels 19 and 20:

Aren't they new neighbors? So why are they getting on a plane? Is this the whiffy racism, or is it just a way to avoid having to pretend that our friend, the heathen, can defend himself against all that is right and holy?

Panels 21 and 22:

How do we know that's a lie? We weren't there. So we cannot prove nor disprove Adam's height - or even his very existence. Futhermore, there are many ways to not be truthful without actually lying. For example, hyperbole (Adam was very tall? How tall? Why - 90 feet! Hahaha!) or metaphor (Adam was a great man. He was so great, everybody looked up to him, he was 90 feet tall!) or copyist's error (I said 90 inches, not 90 feet, you fool!).

Panels 23 and 24:

Lots of people had slaves at that time, including many people in the Bible. As for Allah doing horrible things to people, that's neither better nor worse than God destroying cities because some of the people in those cities had sinned, or Christians persecuting Jews because "they killed Christ" - which, I believe, is an idea taken from the Bible, rightly or wrongly.

Panels 25 and 26:

No comment. Definitely don't know enough about either the Koran or the Bible.

Panels 27 and 28:

Oh, not this again....

Panels 29 and 30:

Prove it. And, furthermore, prove your original assertation that only people who don't exist in graves can get you into Heaven, you self-righteous twit of a girl.

Panels 31 and 32:

Oh dear god... this is *not* what Genesis says, people!

Panels 33 and 34:

Guess maybe if Mohammed had done it, he'd've done the job right, made perfect people.... Note that nobody has ever claimed that Mohammed created the world.

Panels 35 and 36:

Yeah, God knocked up a young virgin without her consent. Tell me how that's so moral again? Okay, yes, afterwards she consented, but what was she supposed to say? No?

Panels 37 and 38:

Yeah, that argument doesn't make sense mihi. If I could get an explanation, I'd be happy.

Panels 39 and 40:

Sheesh. These kids have no... anything! Suzy, I wouldn't be too happy, in another week they'll decide they're Wiccan, and then they'll say they're Satanists, because it's cool.

Last two!

*eyeroll*

Yeah, no comment.

But as for the billions and billions going to hell - here's the thing. I want nothing to do with any being that'd condemn billions and billions to eternal torment, especially if that includes the (reasonably) innocent and the plain ignorant. So, yeah, I'm goin' to hell. I have to. I have my conscience to think about. Poor Suzy doesn't seem to.

I say harsher things than I ought. My apologies.

Comments

[marveen.livejournal.com]

No, you weren't too harsh at all.

I just love the parts where she gets all condemnatory about Mohammed having multiple wives and owning slaves, when the Old Testament is rife with men marrying several women (cf. Rachel and Leah, Moses, etc., etc.) and slavery is specifically given rules and laws in Leviticus.

Oh, right, I forgot--that part of Leviticus doesn't count anymore. Just the parts about homosexuals and witchcraft.

Funny, that.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Um, yep, what you said. They were the practices in that region at the time! "Oh, the Bible doesn't SAY THAT!" Um, "nope." :-p

[conuly]

Well, my bit about God knocking up Mary was kinda over the line, because it's more a general "Christian" thing than a "Chick is nuts" thing, but I couldn't think of anything else to say there.

[carakarena.livejournal.com]

Hurl. Digusting.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Yep, blatant racism here! And I figure the plane reference is for...well, yeah let's blame them because they're MUSLIMS, not because they were fanatic radical terrorists! *rolleyes* And let's make the boy REALLY SCARY LOOKING to convince readers that he's evil!!

So...the Bible can make all sorts of outrageous (to us) claims and be the Truth while the Koran can't? Ummm...ummm...*shakes head*

I may be Christian, but I am at the point where my feeling of Jesus' teaching of "nobody can get to the Father except through Me" was talking about the principle of LOVE.

Speaking of love...I DID get kinda sucked-in to Christianity through a guy I had a crush on... *whistles* At least he was compassionate, intelligent, non-accusatory, and showed honest cncern rather than a "holier-than-thou" attitude. Other mysterious things happened in that span of a week or so that just were too crazy to be coincidental...at least the God I know has a sense of humor and doesn't mind "demonic games" like D&D. :-)

[conuly]

And let's make the boy REALLY SCARY LOOKING to convince readers that he's evil!!

Except that, have you ever noticed that Suzy looks that scary all the time? Usually right before she's about to make some big "point".

So...the Bible can make all sorts of outrageous (to us) claims and be the Truth while the Koran can't?

Yes, pretty much.

I DID get kinda sucked-in to Christianity through a guy I had a crush on... *whistles*

*blinks*

But that wasn't the only reason. He didn't just tell you a pretty story and you converted.

[ruthanolis.livejournal.com]

Actually, I don't see it as harsh. But then, he's not doing a great job of tolerating others anywa.
Everyone time somebody sends me a link to one of his "cartoons for the naive and gullible" I wonder how he thinks he is going to get to heaven himself.
I couldn't think of any references in the Bible about tolerance and understanding. But 1 Corinthians 13 comes close.

Plus, who told Jack that he decided who was going to hell in the first place?
I think he needs to read Matthew 7:1 and think about it for a while.

[maelorin]

chick is one of the more 'interesting' fundamentalist christians. i can't think of anyone that isn't hated in at least one of his 'tracts' ...

nothing you've said here is as harsh as the stuff he says about others.

logical argument has never featured highly in these things.

[redlami.livejournal.com]

logical argument has never featured highly in these things.

absolutely.

[redlami.livejournal.com]

You know about the Chick Tract Parody Archive (http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick)? It's a little old and hasn't been updated in years but I still enjoy reading them from time to time.

This one's still my favorite (http://www.jhuger.com/tract/tyd/index.mv).

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

*giggles* That's great!

[adiva_calandia]

I love the fact that the grandfather looks like a villian. I'm sure the reason Mr. Chick has the Muslims getting on a plane is because their evil plot to convert innocent young girls failed, and they have to get out before they're found out. I'd say they're probably fleeing from the hate-crimes Susy and her friends are going to commit in the future.

Oh my goodness, Susy! We almost became Muslims! I want Jesus!

I cannot express the horror running through me.

I don't know much about Islam, but if it's anything like Judaisim and Christianity, you probably have to do something more than say some words. And if you want to be REALLY fundamental, you can't be saved and go to heaven in Christianity unless you're baptized. I didn't see any water or oil. Sorry, Susy! Hope you enjoy watching your friends burn in hell because you gave them false information! Okay, sorry, deep breaths. . . .

The argument in panels 37 and 38 is correct, as far as I understand Christian theology. Jesus accepted our sins and "died for them." I admit, it's fuzzy, but Mr. Chick is correct.

[conuly]

To convert to Islam, all you have to do is say "I believe in God, and Muhammed is his prophet" in front of one (or maybe two) Muslim witnesses. And mean it, of course, which these two kids... didn't.

And after that you have to accept the five pillars of faith, and be a good person.

[ser-kai.livejournal.com]

I have Muslim friends.
They have never attempted to convert me. In fact, they(normal muslims, not extremists) are very quiet about their religion in my experience.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Yep! And peaceful, too.

I've known a few who were arseholes, but that's the men, not the faith.

[kalathia.livejournal.com]

I also posted a review on my livejournal(however, I primarily comment on general themes throughout the tract, with a few specific examples, rather than a panel-by-panel analysis).

Additionally, have you noticed that...
...when members of other faiths are shown, they almost always wear traditional garb?
...the people of other religions are virtually always of inferior moral, social, or intellectual character than the Christian who is trying to convert them?
...that this tract was timed to be released during Ramadan?(It was released in November)

[kalathia.livejournal.com]

Whoops, I don't think I meant to put "that" twice(by putting "that" after the "..." in "...that this tract"), but I can't change that now.

By the way, discriminating against Muslims isn't "racism". Unfortunately, we don't have any companion word that is used to apply to religion.

[leora.livejournal.com]

Or God hardening the Pharoah's heart. He wanted to let the Jews go free, but God insisted that they remain slaves longer, suffer longer, and the Pharoah change his mind so that he could demonstrate his power (honest, that's the reason given in the Bible) and reign plagues upon the Egyptians, including every first born baby of the Egyptians even though many of those babies/children/adults weren't involved in it and presumably some were just little babies. There's also a passage where God orders the Jews to smash babies heads against rocks.

The Old Testament is very violent.

But that's okay, because people just ignore the bits they don't like except when they want to attack the religion to support their own.

[conuly]

I tried telling that to somebody once, she actually started crying and called me a liar. Or at least, she said she started crying, I don't know if that was true.

[marveen.livejournal.com]

No, you weren't too harsh at all.

I just love the parts where she gets all condemnatory about Mohammed having multiple wives and owning slaves, when the Old Testament is rife with men marrying several women (cf. Rachel and Leah, Moses, etc., etc.) and slavery is specifically given rules and laws in Leviticus.

Oh, right, I forgot--that part of Leviticus doesn't count anymore. Just the parts about homosexuals and witchcraft.

Funny, that.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Um, yep, what you said. They were the practices in that region at the time! "Oh, the Bible doesn't SAY THAT!" Um, "nope." :-p

[carakarena.livejournal.com]

Hurl. Digusting.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Yep, blatant racism here! And I figure the plane reference is for...well, yeah let's blame them because they're MUSLIMS, not because they were fanatic radical terrorists! *rolleyes* And let's make the boy REALLY SCARY LOOKING to convince readers that he's evil!!

So...the Bible can make all sorts of outrageous (to us) claims and be the Truth while the Koran can't? Ummm...ummm...*shakes head*

I may be Christian, but I am at the point where my feeling of Jesus' teaching of "nobody can get to the Father except through Me" was talking about the principle of LOVE.

Speaking of love...I DID get kinda sucked-in to Christianity through a guy I had a crush on... *whistles* At least he was compassionate, intelligent, non-accusatory, and showed honest cncern rather than a "holier-than-thou" attitude. Other mysterious things happened in that span of a week or so that just were too crazy to be coincidental...at least the God I know has a sense of humor and doesn't mind "demonic games" like D&D. :-)

[conuly]

And let's make the boy REALLY SCARY LOOKING to convince readers that he's evil!!

Except that, have you ever noticed that Suzy looks that scary all the time? Usually right before she's about to make some big "point".

So...the Bible can make all sorts of outrageous (to us) claims and be the Truth while the Koran can't?

Yes, pretty much.

I DID get kinda sucked-in to Christianity through a guy I had a crush on... *whistles*

*blinks*

But that wasn't the only reason. He didn't just tell you a pretty story and you converted.

[ruthanolis.livejournal.com]

Actually, I don't see it as harsh. But then, he's not doing a great job of tolerating others anywa.
Everyone time somebody sends me a link to one of his "cartoons for the naive and gullible" I wonder how he thinks he is going to get to heaven himself.
I couldn't think of any references in the Bible about tolerance and understanding. But 1 Corinthians 13 comes close.

Plus, who told Jack that he decided who was going to hell in the first place?
I think he needs to read Matthew 7:1 and think about it for a while.

[maelorin]

chick is one of the more 'interesting' fundamentalist christians. i can't think of anyone that isn't hated in at least one of his 'tracts' ...

nothing you've said here is as harsh as the stuff he says about others.

logical argument has never featured highly in these things.

[redlami.livejournal.com]

logical argument has never featured highly in these things.

absolutely.

[redlami.livejournal.com]

You know about the Chick Tract Parody Archive (http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick)? It's a little old and hasn't been updated in years but I still enjoy reading them from time to time.

This one's still my favorite (http://www.jhuger.com/tract/tyd/index.mv).

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

*giggles* That's great!

[adiva_calandia]

I love the fact that the grandfather looks like a villian. I'm sure the reason Mr. Chick has the Muslims getting on a plane is because their evil plot to convert innocent young girls failed, and they have to get out before they're found out. I'd say they're probably fleeing from the hate-crimes Susy and her friends are going to commit in the future.

Oh my goodness, Susy! We almost became Muslims! I want Jesus!

I cannot express the horror running through me.

I don't know much about Islam, but if it's anything like Judaisim and Christianity, you probably have to do something more than say some words. And if you want to be REALLY fundamental, you can't be saved and go to heaven in Christianity unless you're baptized. I didn't see any water or oil. Sorry, Susy! Hope you enjoy watching your friends burn in hell because you gave them false information! Okay, sorry, deep breaths. . . .

The argument in panels 37 and 38 is correct, as far as I understand Christian theology. Jesus accepted our sins and "died for them." I admit, it's fuzzy, but Mr. Chick is correct.

[conuly]

To convert to Islam, all you have to do is say "I believe in God, and Muhammed is his prophet" in front of one (or maybe two) Muslim witnesses. And mean it, of course, which these two kids... didn't.

And after that you have to accept the five pillars of faith, and be a good person.

[ser-kai.livejournal.com]

I have Muslim friends.
They have never attempted to convert me. In fact, they(normal muslims, not extremists) are very quiet about their religion in my experience.

[fjorab-teke.livejournal.com]

Yep! And peaceful, too.

I've known a few who were arseholes, but that's the men, not the faith.

[kalathia.livejournal.com]

I also posted a review on my livejournal(however, I primarily comment on general themes throughout the tract, with a few specific examples, rather than a panel-by-panel analysis).

Additionally, have you noticed that...
...when members of other faiths are shown, they almost always wear traditional garb?
...the people of other religions are virtually always of inferior moral, social, or intellectual character than the Christian who is trying to convert them?
...that this tract was timed to be released during Ramadan?(It was released in November)

[kalathia.livejournal.com]

Whoops, I don't think I meant to put "that" twice(by putting "that" after the "..." in "...that this tract"), but I can't change that now.

By the way, discriminating against Muslims isn't "racism". Unfortunately, we don't have any companion word that is used to apply to religion.

[leora.livejournal.com]

Or God hardening the Pharoah's heart. He wanted to let the Jews go free, but God insisted that they remain slaves longer, suffer longer, and the Pharoah change his mind so that he could demonstrate his power (honest, that's the reason given in the Bible) and reign plagues upon the Egyptians, including every first born baby of the Egyptians even though many of those babies/children/adults weren't involved in it and presumably some were just little babies. There's also a passage where God orders the Jews to smash babies heads against rocks.

The Old Testament is very violent.

But that's okay, because people just ignore the bits they don't like except when they want to attack the religion to support their own.

[conuly]

I tried telling that to somebody once, she actually started crying and called me a liar. Or at least, she said she started crying, I don't know if that was true.