Lilo: Is she an aspie?
Dec. 10th, 2004 12:37 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
conulyYes, it's another episode of Diagnosing Fictional Characters! Somehow, I think we've had this episode before, but I love Lilo, she's so cute and fluffy... no, wait, that's the other one. Lilo's the terrifying monster.
Anyway, this question has taken up a lot of time. Too much, really. So now, I'll leave it to you to decide, by comparing Lilo's behaviour to various diagnostic criteria found here.
A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviours such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction;
2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level;
3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests or achievments with other people (eg: by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people);
4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity.
Okay. Well, she doesn't seem to have any "marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviours". And while she certainly has a "failure to develop peer relationships", that *might* be because her so-called peers are brats. While she certainly doesn't lack a "spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, and achievments with other people" this entire statement would seem to be at odds with the idea of aspies going on and on about their interests while boring their audience to tears. And I don't know what social reciprocity is, so she might very well lack that, I don't know.
B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behaviour, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus;
2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals;
3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (eg: hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements);
4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
1. Elvis? Photographing people? ROAD MAPS OF IOWA? Yeah.
2. Pudge the fish? I'm not sure if that counts....
3. Didn't see
4. Didn't see
C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning
It might. I don't know.
D, E, and F are unanswerable. We just don't know enough about Lilo.
Yes, I like to be comprehensive.
A. Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction as manifested by at least two of the following four:
1. Inability to interact with peers.
2. Lack of desire to interact with peers.
3. Lack of appreciation of social cues.
4. Socially and emotionally inappropriate behaviour.
Well, she's definitely got problems interacting with her peers (though she wants to). And I'd say she doesn't "appreciate social cues", she thinks they're her friends. Her behaviour seems socially inappropriate to me, but I can't prove that.
B. All-absorbing narrow interest, as manifested by at least one of the following three:
1. Exclusion of other activities.
2. Repetitive adherence.
3. More rote than meaning.
Elvis again would seem to apply here.
C. Speech and language problems, as manifested by at least three of the following five:
1. Delayed development of language.
2. Superficially perfect expressive language.
3. Formal, pedantic language.
4. Odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics.
5. Impairment of comprehension, including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings.
1. Inapplicable
2. Not sure what that means, but have a general feeling that it doesn't apply to Lilo at all.
3. She has her moments, but I think all kids do.
4. Can't tell :) Of course, again, she has her moments: Mr Bubbles? Aliens are destroying my house. (no emotion, gotta love it)
5. Hm. I don't think so. I can't remember this happening, or noticeably not happening.
D I'm not getting into, because she's animated. If these apply at all, that might be the artists' laziness. E may not apply, clumsiness is supposed to improve with physical therapy such as dance lessons.
I'm not even asking how that's pronounced. This is the last one, folks. Comprehensive! Yeah!
A. Solitary, as manifested by at least two of the following four:
1. No close friends.
2. Avoids others.
3. No interest in making friends.
4. A loner.
Well, she definitely doesn't avoid others, and she wants to make friends. But she doesn't have close friends. Not sure if "loner" would apply here.
B. Impaired social interaction, as manifested by at least one of the following five:
1. Approaches others only to have own needs met.
2. A clumsy social approach.
3. One-sided responses to peers.
4. Difficulty sensing feelings of others.
5. Detached from feelings of others.
1, I think, applies to everyone. 2. definitely applies to Lilo - this is my doll, she's dying? Riiiiight. 3, not sure what that means (and anyway, I don't have enough responses to peers to judge from). 4 may be true, or may not be - she doesn't know that her "friends" can't stand her, but she *does* know when her sister is angry or sad. But again, her sister is a special case, it's her family. And 5 isn't true at all, I think.
C. Impaired non-verbal communication, as manifested by at least one of the following seven:
1. Limited facial expression.
2. Unable to read emotion from facial expressions of child.
3. Unable to give messages with eyes.
4. Does not look at others.
5. Does not use hands to express oneself.
6. Gestures are large and clumsy.
7. Comes too close to others.
One doesn't apply. She's animated. I'm not judging her on what could be laziness.
2, 3 don't apply - we can't judge this from the movie.
4. isn't true for Lilo, she certainly does seem to look at people
5. isn't true for Lilo, she waves her hands around all the time.
6. is true - but she's a kid, that *might* be normal for kids her age
7, I don't know. *sighs*
D. Odd speech, as manifested by at least two of the following six:
1. abnormalities in inflection.
2. talks too much.
3. talks too little.
4. lack of cohesion to conversation.
5. idiosyncratic use of words.
6. repetitive patterns of speech.
I don't know if Lilo has abnormalities in inflection, and I certainly can't say if she talks too much, too little, or "just right". Her conversation would seem to me to lack cohesion, but she's a kid. And five and six don't seem to be true for Lilo.
So, in the end... I have to say I'm thoroughly confused. Gah. It's much easier to diagnose Monk.
Anyway, this question has taken up a lot of time. Too much, really. So now, I'll leave it to you to decide, by comparing Lilo's behaviour to various diagnostic criteria found here.
A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviours such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction;
2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level;
3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests or achievments with other people (eg: by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people);
4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity.
Okay. Well, she doesn't seem to have any "marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviours". And while she certainly has a "failure to develop peer relationships", that *might* be because her so-called peers are brats. While she certainly doesn't lack a "spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, and achievments with other people" this entire statement would seem to be at odds with the idea of aspies going on and on about their interests while boring their audience to tears. And I don't know what social reciprocity is, so she might very well lack that, I don't know.
B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behaviour, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus;
2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals;
3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (eg: hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements);
4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects
1. Elvis? Photographing people? ROAD MAPS OF IOWA? Yeah.
2. Pudge the fish? I'm not sure if that counts....
3. Didn't see
4. Didn't see
C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning
It might. I don't know.
D, E, and F are unanswerable. We just don't know enough about Lilo.
Yes, I like to be comprehensive.
A. Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction as manifested by at least two of the following four:
1. Inability to interact with peers.
2. Lack of desire to interact with peers.
3. Lack of appreciation of social cues.
4. Socially and emotionally inappropriate behaviour.
Well, she's definitely got problems interacting with her peers (though she wants to). And I'd say she doesn't "appreciate social cues", she thinks they're her friends. Her behaviour seems socially inappropriate to me, but I can't prove that.
B. All-absorbing narrow interest, as manifested by at least one of the following three:
1. Exclusion of other activities.
2. Repetitive adherence.
3. More rote than meaning.
Elvis again would seem to apply here.
C. Speech and language problems, as manifested by at least three of the following five:
1. Delayed development of language.
2. Superficially perfect expressive language.
3. Formal, pedantic language.
4. Odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics.
5. Impairment of comprehension, including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings.
1. Inapplicable
2. Not sure what that means, but have a general feeling that it doesn't apply to Lilo at all.
3. She has her moments, but I think all kids do.
4. Can't tell :) Of course, again, she has her moments: Mr Bubbles? Aliens are destroying my house. (no emotion, gotta love it)
5. Hm. I don't think so. I can't remember this happening, or noticeably not happening.
D I'm not getting into, because she's animated. If these apply at all, that might be the artists' laziness. E may not apply, clumsiness is supposed to improve with physical therapy such as dance lessons.
I'm not even asking how that's pronounced. This is the last one, folks. Comprehensive! Yeah!
A. Solitary, as manifested by at least two of the following four:
1. No close friends.
2. Avoids others.
3. No interest in making friends.
4. A loner.
Well, she definitely doesn't avoid others, and she wants to make friends. But she doesn't have close friends. Not sure if "loner" would apply here.
B. Impaired social interaction, as manifested by at least one of the following five:
1. Approaches others only to have own needs met.
2. A clumsy social approach.
3. One-sided responses to peers.
4. Difficulty sensing feelings of others.
5. Detached from feelings of others.
1, I think, applies to everyone. 2. definitely applies to Lilo - this is my doll, she's dying? Riiiiight. 3, not sure what that means (and anyway, I don't have enough responses to peers to judge from). 4 may be true, or may not be - she doesn't know that her "friends" can't stand her, but she *does* know when her sister is angry or sad. But again, her sister is a special case, it's her family. And 5 isn't true at all, I think.
C. Impaired non-verbal communication, as manifested by at least one of the following seven:
1. Limited facial expression.
2. Unable to read emotion from facial expressions of child.
3. Unable to give messages with eyes.
4. Does not look at others.
5. Does not use hands to express oneself.
6. Gestures are large and clumsy.
7. Comes too close to others.
One doesn't apply. She's animated. I'm not judging her on what could be laziness.
2, 3 don't apply - we can't judge this from the movie.
4. isn't true for Lilo, she certainly does seem to look at people
5. isn't true for Lilo, she waves her hands around all the time.
6. is true - but she's a kid, that *might* be normal for kids her age
7, I don't know. *sighs*
D. Odd speech, as manifested by at least two of the following six:
1. abnormalities in inflection.
2. talks too much.
3. talks too little.
4. lack of cohesion to conversation.
5. idiosyncratic use of words.
6. repetitive patterns of speech.
I don't know if Lilo has abnormalities in inflection, and I certainly can't say if she talks too much, too little, or "just right". Her conversation would seem to me to lack cohesion, but she's a kid. And five and six don't seem to be true for Lilo.
So, in the end... I have to say I'm thoroughly confused. Gah. It's much easier to diagnose Monk.
