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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/11/10/internet_buzz_on_vote_fraud_is_dismissed/
A week after Kerry conceded and Bush declared victory, those assertions and scores of others from New Mexico to North Carolina have kept alive fierce speculation that Bush's victory either wasn't real or wasn't as decisive as it seemed.
I fail to see how 51% of the popular vote is decisive. I don't know what percentage of the electoral votes he got, somebody please tell me.
Much of the traffic is little more than Internet-fueled conspiracy theories,
Of course they're conspiracy theories. That's what you call a theory that there was a conspiracy. Please, now, explain how saying "conspiracy theory" disproves the allegations or demonstrates that no more research into the problems needs to be done.
''I have not yet seen anything that convinces me that the election was stolen, but I certainly think that we should treat these allegations seriously and do them justice," she said. ''There's clearly problems with the elections system. It's crucial to the health of this country that we have an election system that we can trust."
Thank you. Look, the fact is, we don't know. We want to know. We NEVER want another situation like last time. So can we please get on figuring out what the hell happened? Maybe nothing happened. I want to know, though.
A week after Kerry conceded and Bush declared victory, those assertions and scores of others from New Mexico to North Carolina have kept alive fierce speculation that Bush's victory either wasn't real or wasn't as decisive as it seemed.
I fail to see how 51% of the popular vote is decisive. I don't know what percentage of the electoral votes he got, somebody please tell me.
Much of the traffic is little more than Internet-fueled conspiracy theories,
Of course they're conspiracy theories. That's what you call a theory that there was a conspiracy. Please, now, explain how saying "conspiracy theory" disproves the allegations or demonstrates that no more research into the problems needs to be done.
''I have not yet seen anything that convinces me that the election was stolen, but I certainly think that we should treat these allegations seriously and do them justice," she said. ''There's clearly problems with the elections system. It's crucial to the health of this country that we have an election system that we can trust."
Thank you. Look, the fact is, we don't know. We want to know. We NEVER want another situation like last time. So can we please get on figuring out what the hell happened? Maybe nothing happened. I want to know, though.
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Date: 2004-11-10 05:51 pm (UTC)It's a majority. (People said that Gore's margin was "decisive", too, even though it was several million votes less than Bush got this year.)
I don't know what percentage of the electoral votes he got, somebody please tell me.
The electoral vote doesn't happen until December 13th.
Please, now, explain how saying "conspiracy theory" disproves the allegations or demonstrates that no more research into the problems needs to be done.
It doesn't. It's just that most "conspiracy theories" turn out to be bogus, which is why the term "conspiracy theory" has sort of veered off from the strict interpretation that you point out and now tends to refer to far-out crackpot Illuminati-type ideas.
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Date: 2004-11-10 05:54 pm (UTC)The electoral vote doesn't happen until December 13th.
Um... is predicted to get?
It doesn't. It's just that most "conspiracy theories" turn out to be bogus, which is why the term "conspiracy theory" has sort of veered off from the strict interpretation that you point out and now tends to refer to far-out crackpot Illuminati-type ideas
Hey, don't you go dissing my Illuminati! :P
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Date: 2004-11-10 06:03 pm (UTC)Merriam-Webster online says that "decisive" means "unmistakable" or "unquestionable". There is no mistake that Bush got more votes than Kerry; Bush's victory over Kerry cannot be questioned; therefore, it is decisive.
Um... is predicted to get?
The predicted electoral vote is Bush 286, Kerry 252. There is at least one elector who has openly said that he is considering not voting the way he is pledged to vote, however, and there could theoretically be others as well (it's happened in the past).
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Date: 2004-11-10 06:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-10 08:51 pm (UTC)I also think there was a considerable amount of vote tampering/destruction going on this year.
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Date: 2004-11-10 10:35 pm (UTC)That's probably true. I'm still waiting for a Kerry supporter to make the same statement about the 2000 election, though. Gore's margin was much smaller in that election, but Democrats have been hollering for the past four years that Gore was the "real winner" because he had half a million more votes than Bush. Funny how they're not saying the same thing now about Bush, whose margin over Kerry was six times larger than Gore's was over Bush in 2000.
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Date: 2004-11-10 05:51 pm (UTC)It's a majority. (People said that Gore's margin was "decisive", too, even though it was several million votes less than Bush got this year.)
I don't know what percentage of the electoral votes he got, somebody please tell me.
The electoral vote doesn't happen until December 13th.
Please, now, explain how saying "conspiracy theory" disproves the allegations or demonstrates that no more research into the problems needs to be done.
It doesn't. It's just that most "conspiracy theories" turn out to be bogus, which is why the term "conspiracy theory" has sort of veered off from the strict interpretation that you point out and now tends to refer to far-out crackpot Illuminati-type ideas.
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Date: 2004-11-10 05:54 pm (UTC)The electoral vote doesn't happen until December 13th.
Um... is predicted to get?
It doesn't. It's just that most "conspiracy theories" turn out to be bogus, which is why the term "conspiracy theory" has sort of veered off from the strict interpretation that you point out and now tends to refer to far-out crackpot Illuminati-type ideas
Hey, don't you go dissing my Illuminati! :P
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Date: 2004-11-10 06:03 pm (UTC)Merriam-Webster online says that "decisive" means "unmistakable" or "unquestionable". There is no mistake that Bush got more votes than Kerry; Bush's victory over Kerry cannot be questioned; therefore, it is decisive.
Um... is predicted to get?
The predicted electoral vote is Bush 286, Kerry 252. There is at least one elector who has openly said that he is considering not voting the way he is pledged to vote, however, and there could theoretically be others as well (it's happened in the past).
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Date: 2004-11-10 06:08 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-10 08:51 pm (UTC)I also think there was a considerable amount of vote tampering/destruction going on this year.
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Date: 2004-11-10 10:35 pm (UTC)That's probably true. I'm still waiting for a Kerry supporter to make the same statement about the 2000 election, though. Gore's margin was much smaller in that election, but Democrats have been hollering for the past four years that Gore was the "real winner" because he had half a million more votes than Bush. Funny how they're not saying the same thing now about Bush, whose margin over Kerry was six times larger than Gore's was over Bush in 2000.