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May. 20th, 2025 06:52 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Metafilter is having a, uh, lively discussion on whether or not this study proves that contemporary English majors can't read.
There's a lot of potential ways to divide the commenters into two groups, but the one I expected the most was "people who think the correct way to deal with unfamiliar references in literature is to immediately look it up" and "people who think the first group needs to learn to use context clues already".
As always, I am in the second group, and every time the first group appears in real life I find myself wondering if they somehow weren't taught this skill at school. I well remember the worksheets! (To be honest, they were a little hit or miss for me - 95% of the time they just used text with words they assumed the students would be unfamiliar with, which I was never actually unfamiliar with. But the other 5% of the time they used text with made up words or with blacked out bits of text, and that was fun, and presumably we all learned a great deal. Or at least in theory... one of the reasons I had such a good vocabulary as a kid was because I read so much and never looked anything up except for fun, so... well, the point is, my classmates probably learned something! And I use that skill every time I try to read something in Spanish.)
Anyway, I'm really posting this because of two reasons.
1. Somehow, nobody has posted about the lawyer cat from the pandemic. Did they all forget? Or not see that?
2. This paragraph: One of the interesting thing about the Inns of Court is that we have some early dance choreography and melody lines not found anywhere else, in a collection that was used there to teach the law students how to dance. Of course the choreography document predates Dickens by a couple of centuries...
Somebody needs to explain wtf is up with this because wtf.
Edit: No, I thought of a third thing, which I forgot because of the second thing.
3. When your kids are very little, every well-meaning person everywhere will tell you that it's all right for them to watch a little TV, just so long as you watch with them and discuss what you're watching, and ask them questions about it. Watch actively, and train them to do so. And it wasn't until the niblings were in middle school that I realized I wasn't actually doing that the way people keep saying - instead of talking about the plot and "what do you think happens next" my running commentary during TV shows and movies goes "Wow, that background music is awfully forboding for such an apparently hopeful scene" and "Ugh, he put a blanket over her, I guess they'll hook up now" and "That transition sure is cheesy!" and, once, "You think you'll be happy when you get to Omashu , but obviously not", which prompted the kids to ask why and I had to actually think about it. (Because they left the secret tunnel and then had to climb a mountain which blocked their view of the city while chatting about how amazing it'd be to get to the city. If everything was hunky-dory then there would've been no mountain, they would've emerged from the tunnel and seen the city right there.) I don't know if the way I did it was better or worse than what people kept saying to do, but it doesn't seem to have hurt the kids and their ability to pick up on foreshadowing!
There's a lot of potential ways to divide the commenters into two groups, but the one I expected the most was "people who think the correct way to deal with unfamiliar references in literature is to immediately look it up" and "people who think the first group needs to learn to use context clues already".
As always, I am in the second group, and every time the first group appears in real life I find myself wondering if they somehow weren't taught this skill at school. I well remember the worksheets! (To be honest, they were a little hit or miss for me - 95% of the time they just used text with words they assumed the students would be unfamiliar with, which I was never actually unfamiliar with. But the other 5% of the time they used text with made up words or with blacked out bits of text, and that was fun, and presumably we all learned a great deal. Or at least in theory... one of the reasons I had such a good vocabulary as a kid was because I read so much and never looked anything up except for fun, so... well, the point is, my classmates probably learned something! And I use that skill every time I try to read something in Spanish.)
Anyway, I'm really posting this because of two reasons.
1. Somehow, nobody has posted about the lawyer cat from the pandemic. Did they all forget? Or not see that?
2. This paragraph: One of the interesting thing about the Inns of Court is that we have some early dance choreography and melody lines not found anywhere else, in a collection that was used there to teach the law students how to dance. Of course the choreography document predates Dickens by a couple of centuries...
Somebody needs to explain wtf is up with this because wtf.
Edit: No, I thought of a third thing, which I forgot because of the second thing.
3. When your kids are very little, every well-meaning person everywhere will tell you that it's all right for them to watch a little TV, just so long as you watch with them and discuss what you're watching, and ask them questions about it. Watch actively, and train them to do so. And it wasn't until the niblings were in middle school that I realized I wasn't actually doing that the way people keep saying - instead of talking about the plot and "what do you think happens next" my running commentary during TV shows and movies goes "Wow, that background music is awfully forboding for such an apparently hopeful scene" and "Ugh, he put a blanket over her, I guess they'll hook up now" and "That transition sure is cheesy!" and, once, "You think you'll be happy when you get to Omashu , but obviously not", which prompted the kids to ask why and I had to actually think about it. (Because they left the secret tunnel and then had to climb a mountain which blocked their view of the city while chatting about how amazing it'd be to get to the city. If everything was hunky-dory then there would've been no mountain, they would've emerged from the tunnel and seen the city right there.) I don't know if the way I did it was better or worse than what people kept saying to do, but it doesn't seem to have hurt the kids and their ability to pick up on foreshadowing!
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Date: 2025-05-14 05:17 am (UTC)That's the question.
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Date: 2025-05-14 07:41 pm (UTC)In terms of "why learn to do it?", this was part of "cultured society" at the time, like table manners are (or at least were) in our time. We ordinary folks just learn this stuff as we go, but just like hoity-toity rich kids get tutors and special instruction, these lawyers were of a class that was trying to operate in higher-class circles, so it makes sense that there would be some manuals or instruction. Plus maybe it helps them pick up girls?
In terms of "why does a law school have these documents?", I have the impression that they were packrats and dance was not particularly special when it came to preservation priorities. But I haven't researched what else is in that stash; I came at this as a musician and dancer, not a law-school-history researcher.
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Date: 2025-05-16 05:13 am (UTC)Additionally, it is in the late 15th and the 16th century that dance really starts becoming a way of performing membership in the aristocracy. Everybody danced, but aristocrats had the free time and discretionary income to formally study fancier forms. Being a competent dancer at the styles of dance done in court became a really important class shibboleth to the upper classes.
This is where the dance manuals come in: this was the Renaissance, the age of a rising merchant class, flush with wealth but untitled. If they wanted to break into high society, they (or their sons or daughters hoping to marry well) had to act the part. Which means they had to know how to dance courtly dances, and be skillful at it. I mean, really had to.
These books were cheat sheets and textbooks. Some, that inform reconstructing the Inns of Court notes, were instruction book swritten by dance instructors looking to capitalize (literally) on the cutting edge of technology – the printing press – to maximize their reach as lifestyle influencers. The actual Inns of Court dance manuscripts are I'm not surprised a law school largely being treated as a finishing school for aristocrat-class young men would have some around, especially for the social climbers in their midst who weren't so fortunate to be taught these dances from when they first started to walk.
I would be remiss if I didn't include some examples:
Old Alman:
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-GA3ZYBMwI
Queen's Alman:
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYtgvDQljYA
Madam Sosilia's (Cecilia) Alman (music only):
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5X9m2Z59vU
Black Alman:
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq4VCGxUXWA
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_9TnuUGDjU
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Date: 2025-05-16 06:55 pm (UTC)