It's that day again.

[conuly]

9/11.

The day the Scots were defeated at the Battle of Dunbar in 1297.

What, you were thinking of another 9/11?

Sorry, I know, not solemn. But in another thousand years - hell, probably in another hundred years, nobody will care too much about today. Very few people care too much about December 7th, though of course they know what that day was. Nobody remembers exactly when the Boston Massacre was, and they certainly don't think about it yearly. I'm sure there's plenty of people who remember that OTHER 9/11, but I doubt they dwell on it. And people *do* dwell on it. Conversations just drift back there. While I feel generally bad about the dead, and I do think we'd all have been better off without it (for one thing, we mightn't be in Iraq, because we all know that was the excuse)... but I don't think it's healthy, the way people keep talking. "Never Forget" is a nice watchword, but how can you live your life if you really never forget, not for a second?

Comments

[frogmajick.livejournal.com]

I hope you don't mind, but I see you comment in every community I read. Ok, not every single one, but a lot. We also have a lot in common and I think you are a charming and interesting person by what you post. I want to friend you so I can read your LJ, do you mind?

[conuly]

Wow. Everybody's friending me lately!

No, I don't mind. Never have. Though I do warn you, I tend to post a lot.

Question: Charming? Seriously?

[aya-avallon.livejournal.com]

hey, i really love your icon, you royal master of design!
may i ask you, your highness, what's the name of this layout? LJ lets you choose between different layouts of your journal, but there isn't a preview for each one, and i was wondering what's the name of this one. you understood me? No? can i become your Fool now? LOL

[conuly]

There is a bit of a preview for each one, actually. I hope this link works! Also, many styles seem to have communities about them, so that might be helpful.

My layout is a component style. It's not available for free users, though.

[missfahrenheit.livejournal.com]

I do realise I'm probably going to be inviting flames here, but I seem to recall an interesting point someone mad a few years ago- if 9/11 had occured in the Middle East, no-one in our sort of society would remember it five years on. But as it happened in America, the world will never be allowed to forget.
80,000 people died on 6th August 1945 because of the atomic bomb, and another 60,000 died from fallout sickness before the end of the year. And apart from people in Japan, who really remembers that every year?

[conuly]

I will now, thanks.

Who remembers the massacre of the Armenians?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Hell, in fifty years, people won't really give more than a passing thought about it, and only then on the anniversary. Look at Pearl Harbor.

[conuly]

I *did* look at pearl harbor! I just decided to move up another 50 years.

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

I agree with you, I understand that people that were personally involved with the incident dwell on it still, for they are, understandably, still wounded from it, but I can not comprehend how some people in places far away for the US that are weeping for this now. In particular those that have no connection whatsoever with anyone who was gravely affected by this occurrence. That is just dwelling on the negative side of things. Life is all in all a rather nice state, and it is my firm belief that we should make the best of it we can, dwelling for ever on the negative and hard things will not bring about any salvation of the psyche, one needs to move on.

Hope you don't mind

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

Post Scriptum:

I borrowed this from you, it is beautifully phrased:

"Never Forget" is a nice watchword, but how can you live your life if you really never forget, not for a second?

[queengodzilla.livejournal.com]

F@ck yeah!

Let's make this "Remember the Scots!" day from now on. Works a whole lot better than the sobfest we're groaning over.

[conuly]

Well, it does make a nice point.

[thetwistedsista.livejournal.com]

9/11 has a new meaning for me too.
My account at Neopets got hacked.
But no-ones going to remember that.
Around that time, my TV broke down, and we had no cable. Bored out of my wits, I was.
It's also sad that we remember that, but other things don't get remembered.
Like what you said about the Scots.

[mhari.livejournal.com]

Poor Scots.

[neurotica0.livejournal.com]

As an Oklahoman, I would like to add that hardly anyone outside of Oklahoma remembered the Oklahoma City bombing the year after it happened. After another year, it was basically forgotten in almost every other state.

[conuly]

After Oklahoma City, nobody remembered the first WTC bombing. Nobody remembers it now, in fact. *I* remember it, but only because my mom was going to meet my dad there and didn't.

[tinchen.livejournal.com]

Well it's always horrible if people die, but remind everybody about that event is good for US-American politics. I wonder how many people will remember the events that took place in Breslan - where terrorism aimed at families, children, babies.
The Twintowers are mentioned today, in the news and Tv, but I guess it's nothing like how it's remembered in the US. Here in Germany they use the date to describe what happened afterwards and what will come out of it.

[wodhaund.livejournal.com]

Oddly enough, this reminds me of the time I drove by a row of cars and saw one with a bumper sticker that said "9/11 We will never forget!"

Took me a good half-mile before I realised what it was that I was supposed to be remembering.

Horrible awful thing that happened? Sure. Horrible awful thing that happened that we deserve to be victims of and remember forever and ever because oh, woe, nobody has it as bad as us???

Sorry. No.

(Crap. This whole comment is incoherent. That's it. Don't ever let me reply to ANYTHING before noon.)

[feathered.livejournal.com]

Not much to say as I just woke up and am still feeling very fuzzy, but, I love you so much for this post. I may link it to my journal instead of saying anything about 9/11 myself, as it's pretty much what I wanted to say but couldn't muster the words for.

[rantinan.livejournal.com]

I'll always rememebr 11/09/00 as we'd put it in australia
the day my foot got crushed by a police horse when the coppers tried unsuccessfully to clear hords of protestors from the crown casino in melbourne for the world economic forum.

What heppend 12 months after that date was a tradegy true, but for me "s11" has a more significant and intimate meening. 9/11 began thre months of walking on crutches while i healed. Three months of having to live with a physical disability that generated within me noting but respect for the people who have perminant physical disability and have to live with it every day.
9/11 will meen differnt thigns to different people. If the WTO thing had impacted me personaly, mabye it would be differnet for me. As it is on spetember the eleventh, my brain becomes aware once more that my right foot is a mass of internalised scar tissue, and i keep off it for a few days until i rememebr how to forget the pain of it.

[frogmajick.livejournal.com]

I hope you don't mind, but I see you comment in every community I read. Ok, not every single one, but a lot. We also have a lot in common and I think you are a charming and interesting person by what you post. I want to friend you so I can read your LJ, do you mind?

[conuly]

Wow. Everybody's friending me lately!

No, I don't mind. Never have. Though I do warn you, I tend to post a lot.

Question: Charming? Seriously?

[aya-avallon.livejournal.com]

hey, i really love your icon, you royal master of design!
may i ask you, your highness, what's the name of this layout? LJ lets you choose between different layouts of your journal, but there isn't a preview for each one, and i was wondering what's the name of this one. you understood me? No? can i become your Fool now? LOL

[conuly]

There is a bit of a preview for each one, actually. I hope this link works! Also, many styles seem to have communities about them, so that might be helpful.

My layout is a component style. It's not available for free users, though.

[missfahrenheit.livejournal.com]

I do realise I'm probably going to be inviting flames here, but I seem to recall an interesting point someone mad a few years ago- if 9/11 had occured in the Middle East, no-one in our sort of society would remember it five years on. But as it happened in America, the world will never be allowed to forget.
80,000 people died on 6th August 1945 because of the atomic bomb, and another 60,000 died from fallout sickness before the end of the year. And apart from people in Japan, who really remembers that every year?

[conuly]

I will now, thanks.

Who remembers the massacre of the Armenians?

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

Hell, in fifty years, people won't really give more than a passing thought about it, and only then on the anniversary. Look at Pearl Harbor.

[conuly]

I *did* look at pearl harbor! I just decided to move up another 50 years.

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

I agree with you, I understand that people that were personally involved with the incident dwell on it still, for they are, understandably, still wounded from it, but I can not comprehend how some people in places far away for the US that are weeping for this now. In particular those that have no connection whatsoever with anyone who was gravely affected by this occurrence. That is just dwelling on the negative side of things. Life is all in all a rather nice state, and it is my firm belief that we should make the best of it we can, dwelling for ever on the negative and hard things will not bring about any salvation of the psyche, one needs to move on.

Hope you don't mind

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

Post Scriptum:

I borrowed this from you, it is beautifully phrased:

"Never Forget" is a nice watchword, but how can you live your life if you really never forget, not for a second?

[queengodzilla.livejournal.com]

F@ck yeah!

Let's make this "Remember the Scots!" day from now on. Works a whole lot better than the sobfest we're groaning over.

[conuly]

Well, it does make a nice point.

[thetwistedsista.livejournal.com]

9/11 has a new meaning for me too.
My account at Neopets got hacked.
But no-ones going to remember that.
Around that time, my TV broke down, and we had no cable. Bored out of my wits, I was.
It's also sad that we remember that, but other things don't get remembered.
Like what you said about the Scots.

[mhari.livejournal.com]

Poor Scots.

[neurotica0.livejournal.com]

As an Oklahoman, I would like to add that hardly anyone outside of Oklahoma remembered the Oklahoma City bombing the year after it happened. After another year, it was basically forgotten in almost every other state.

[conuly]

After Oklahoma City, nobody remembered the first WTC bombing. Nobody remembers it now, in fact. *I* remember it, but only because my mom was going to meet my dad there and didn't.

[tinchen.livejournal.com]

Well it's always horrible if people die, but remind everybody about that event is good for US-American politics. I wonder how many people will remember the events that took place in Breslan - where terrorism aimed at families, children, babies.
The Twintowers are mentioned today, in the news and Tv, but I guess it's nothing like how it's remembered in the US. Here in Germany they use the date to describe what happened afterwards and what will come out of it.

[wodhaund.livejournal.com]

Oddly enough, this reminds me of the time I drove by a row of cars and saw one with a bumper sticker that said "9/11 We will never forget!"

Took me a good half-mile before I realised what it was that I was supposed to be remembering.

Horrible awful thing that happened? Sure. Horrible awful thing that happened that we deserve to be victims of and remember forever and ever because oh, woe, nobody has it as bad as us???

Sorry. No.

(Crap. This whole comment is incoherent. That's it. Don't ever let me reply to ANYTHING before noon.)

[feathered.livejournal.com]

Not much to say as I just woke up and am still feeling very fuzzy, but, I love you so much for this post. I may link it to my journal instead of saying anything about 9/11 myself, as it's pretty much what I wanted to say but couldn't muster the words for.