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where, for Reasons adult Harry is interacting with child Draco. Draco is chewing him out for messing up his school year, Harry is defending himself, and I'm thinking "Gosh, I don't remember the minutiae of my school days in this detail!"

And then it hit me. I really don't. I have a clearer and more complete picture of Harry Potter's school years and classmates than of my own.

Which is probably for the best, but still.

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From:

moon_custafer

To be fair, I assume/hope your school years were way less traumatic than Harry’s, involving fewer dragons and spectres, and were therefore less memorable.

From:

conuly

They were traumatic in their own way, but at any rate, they're arguing over a quidditch match. Not one of the scary ones.

From:

mindstalk

I have very little memory of day to day classes, especially in math. More of unusual things like logic puzzles or number sieves. One of diagramming sentences. Various social things, like reciting a poem, or getting yelled at in 1st grade for making my picture all in blue, or getting bullied. But getting taught arithmetic? Nada. What social studies was like? Apart from a belief in "Mesopotamia to WWI over and over", very little.

From:

conuly

Oh, yes. Every once in a while somebody will blather on about how it only took their teacher a few days to teach them how to add and subtract, none of that "tens chart" or "manipulatives" or "place value" mumbo jumbo and I think - "and what do you think your class did the other 35 weeks of the school year?"

Some people with less memory and sense than either of us assume that since they only remember one or two math lessons, there really were only one or two math lessons and they just learned really fast.

Edited Date: 2019-05-12 09:29 pm (UTC)

From:

nodrog

That’s what always bothered me about Heart of Darkness, The Time Machine, et al, that are supposedly being narrated ex tempore to listeners: Any cop will tell you, any court reporter will tell you, depositions and statements aren’t ever made like that. They’re a mess!

The best example I’ve encountered of this actually used in a story was by Barry Malzberg, where the entire story is just such depositions - and they are each and all so self-serving, vague, backbiting, &c., that you have to sift signal from noise to piece together what happened!

From:

calimac

There is hardly a letter or a diary in fiction that is not written in the form of a fictional narrative and not in the form of an actual diary or letter. It's worst when the author makes the writing character defend their writing this way, especially when it's in a private diary that nobody else is supposed to be able to read.

From:

conuly

Unless your private diary is in code, sooner or later somebody is going to read it.

From:

calimac

Not "going to read it" but "going to be able to read it." And yes, that's true, but there's still a huge difference between writing a diary for yourself alone and writing a letter intended for others. The point is that these fiction-writers ignore that difference.

From:

conuly

Okay, but if you put something in writing you have to expect that sooner or later it's going to be read. No matter how many dire threats you put on the outside!

From:

nodrog

And even then - right, Samuel?

[S Pepys’ Diary was written entirely in cipher. The guy who cracked it worked on it for, like, three years. He must have been intensely peeved when later a complete key to the cipher was found!]

From:

conuly

Rashoman, man.

From:

conuly

It occurs to me that my first comment was a little snippy, and this time that's unfair. You're quite right. A group of completely honest and helpful witnesses to the same event will always contradict each other, even if they're making their statement as soon after the fact as possible. Human perception and memory is weird that way.

From:

nodrog

Well, thank you, but I must say that my complaint was not with the accuracy of recollection, tho’ that is a factor, but rather the “spontaneous” telling of a complete, perfectly structured narrative story without digression or omission. When last did you do that? I certainly never have!

From:

conuly

What, never?

From:

calimac

I read the first four Harry Potter books, and I certainly could not remember which events occurred in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Secrets and which occurred in Harry Potter and the Fire of Ashbakan.

From:

starandrea

Well played; I lol'd ♥

From:

calimac

And would you believe I actually had to go look up the titles in order to generate that joke?

From:

conuly

Ha ha ha.

From:

rhoda_rants

You know what I remember most vividly from my actual school days? Books I was reading and movies I was watching at the time. I very much lived in my imagination whenever possible. I'm kinda fine with that, though. I don't think it's unusual.