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Jun. 23rd, 2018 12:30 pm
conuly: (Default)
[personal profile] conuly
"Passive voice" does not mean "any construction I think is deliberately vague".

"Palestinians died" is in the active voice, even if you think it should read "Palestinians were killed by Israeli soldiers" (which, fittingly, is a passive voice.) It's weaselly, but it's not a passive. (Or, on the flipside, "violence broke out" isn't a passive either, even if you think it should say "the Palestinians attacked the Israelis", but at least the suggested correction is also in the active voice.)

"Democrats allowed this situation [of migrant separation] to escalate" is an outright lie, but that doesn't make it a passive voice construction either.

"Don't use the passive voice!!!" is an absurd little bugaboo, but if you're going to religiously adhere to it you can at least learn how to properly identify passive and active clauses.

Date: 2018-06-19 05:08 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
My usual "no really" example for this is that "President Kennedy was assassinated" is in the passive voice, not at all vague, and puts the focus on Kennedy, which is where it's likely wanted.

"Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated President Kennedy" is active, and also valid, but if you're more concerned about the effects of the assassination than on the volumes of "did Oswald act alone? What was his motivation?" stuff you're more likely to want Kennedy to be the subject of the sentence.

Date: 2018-06-19 07:38 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
You're welcome.

Date: 2018-06-20 06:02 pm (UTC)
novel_machinist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] novel_machinist
That IS wonderful. Thank you.

Date: 2018-06-19 06:04 pm (UTC)
spikethemuffin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] spikethemuffin
PREACH.

Date: 2018-06-19 06:21 pm (UTC)
nostalgia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nostalgia
is passive when the verb happens to the subject?

Date: 2018-06-19 06:38 pm (UTC)
malkingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malkingrey
Yep. As the grammar mavens put it, the subject "receives the action" of the verb.

It could be worse. Some languages also have a middle voice, which I don't even pretend to understand.

Date: 2018-06-19 06:46 pm (UTC)
nostalgia: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nostalgia
i know such proper grammar terms as "the thing that does the verb" and "the thing the verb happens to" XD

Date: 2018-06-19 06:36 pm (UTC)
malkingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] malkingrey
Right. The passive voice is a grammatical construction, not a moral choice.

(The so-called "agentless passive", where the "by X" part of the construction is omitted, is used a lot for responsibility-dodging of the "mistakes were made" variety, but that's the fault of the speaker, not the grammar. There are times when the identity of X is either unknown or irrelevant or both, and the agentless passive is the appropriate voice in those cases.)

Date: 2018-06-19 07:46 pm (UTC)
redbird: closeup of me drinking tea, in a friend's kitchen (Default)
From: [personal profile] redbird
Yes. Going back to my example above, if the sentence was "Olof Palme was assassinated," it could be expanded to something like "Olof Palme was assassinated by a still-unidentified gunman," but active voice wouldn't be enough to identify the killer. Active voice produces something like "an unidentified assassin shot Olof Palme," which is useful if the writer wants to call attention to the fact that the crime hasn't been solved, rather than to the victim, but I think "the prime minister has been shot" is a more likely and more emphatic sentence than "someone shot the prime minister." Unless it's so soon after the assassination that you want to convey "so be careful, there's an unidentified assassin somewhere in the city."

Date: 2018-06-19 06:49 pm (UTC)
larryhammer: floral print origami penguin, facing left (Default)
From: [personal profile] larryhammer
*copy editor hat ON*

WORD

Date: 2018-06-19 06:55 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
preach

Date: 2018-06-19 08:23 pm (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
Yes, thank you. I would much rather complain about a construction that tries to avoid or shift blame than whether or not it employs a passive voice.

Date: 2018-06-19 09:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] greghousesgf
Passive voice can be more effective depending on what's being said. I don't agree with the idea of never using it at all.

Date: 2018-06-19 09:37 pm (UTC)
the_siobhan: It means, "to rot" (Default)
From: [personal profile] the_siobhan
Huh. I have learned things today.

Date: 2018-06-20 12:33 am (UTC)
sabotabby: (doom doom doom)
From: [personal profile] sabotabby
The rule I teach my kids is this: If you can add "by zombies" at the end, it's passive voice.

Date: 2018-06-20 02:10 am (UTC)
siderea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] siderea
I was going to say! That essay was much too complicated; the "if you can 'by zombies' to the end" test is much more concise and elegant.

Date: 2018-06-20 03:17 am (UTC)
pauamma: Cartooney crab wearing hot pink and acid green facemask holding drink with straw (Default)
From: [personal profile] pauamma
"This morning, on my way to the secret government research lab, I passed by zombies".

Date: 2018-06-20 11:36 am (UTC)
sabotabby: (lolmarx)
From: [personal profile] sabotabby
Okay, good point.

Date: 2018-06-20 04:15 am (UTC)
deird1: a fictional creature called an Alot, being hugged by someone, with text "I care about this alot" (Alot)
From: [personal profile] deird1
What an excellent description.

Date: 2018-06-20 10:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
I like to distinguish between the "passive exonerative," and other cases of passive voice.
"Kennedy was assassinated" is passive voice.
"Both were injured in a police-involved shooting," is passive exonerative.

Date: 2018-06-20 11:34 pm (UTC)
adrian_turtle: (Default)
From: [personal profile] adrian_turtle
Well, yes. I agree.
Before that particular phrase became popular*, the ideal example of passive exonerative was "mistakes were made."

*"The phrase became popular" is technically active voice, even as it conceals all the journalists who made it popular by quoting police reports so uncritically.

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