iZombie spoilers ahoy

[conuly]

Soooo Blaine revealed that he had lost his memory, but now he got it back.

And the conversation online is still 100% "But really, he should still have been punished even with complete memory loss". Argh. What on earth is the point of punishing somebody who doesn't remember what they did? Even if they did something really bad, like Blaine did?

I'm all for throwing the book at him now, he's an unrepentant murderer. (Easy on the eyes, though.) But if he'd legit lost his memory? Why bother? "Well, a crime was committed and somebody has to be punished." (That's pretty much an exact quote, and a terrifying thought. This is not how justice works!)

Also, Liv is probably the only person on TV to use "whom" in cold blood.

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[steorra]

I have to say, my initial reaction to "Well, a crime was committed and somebody has to be punished" is "How Protestant!" ("People sinned and God had to punish somebody and Jesus let himself be punished in place of us") And given the place of Protestantism in US/English-speaking history and culture, I suppose that's not a farfetched connection.

"and a terrifying thought. This is not how justice works!"
Indeed.

[conuly]

"People sinned and God had to punish somebody and Jesus let himself be punished in place of us")

Interestingly, this is not the only - or even oldest - interpretation of the Crucifixion, something you probably know but lots of people apparently don't.

Whee, random tangent!

[steorra]

Indeed!

That's why I specified "Protestant", not "Christian". I'm Eastern Orthodox, and that is not our understanding of who God is, but it seems to be the typical Protestant view (and the one I grew up with) - though Protestants are incohesive enough that it's not the only Protestant view either.

Yay for random tangents.
(As Madeleine L'Engle apparently didn't write, despite my memory, "some of the best conversations happen on tangents")

[rivendellrose]

Eeeee, someone else I know is watching this show! ♥

Agreed, I had no interest in Blaine getting punished for things he didn't remember doing, and even now it's... somewhat potentially complicated? I was fairly sure all along that original!Blaine would be coming back at some point one way or another, but I find the "his memory did come back but slowly" thing really interesting in terms of trying to figure out to what extent he's still Same Old Blaine and to what extent it's possible he's New Blaine. ...And also what the heck he's doing with the memory serum.

[conuly]

I was fairly sure all along that original!Blaine would be coming back at some point one way or another

Yeah, good guy amnesiac Blaine is just not as interesting as bleached blond bad boy Blaine. (Or as hot. I mean, I wouldn't date him, but....)

Morally dubious Blaine, however, has got some appeal. (I wouldn't date him either, but that's not the point, is it?)

And also what the heck he's doing with the memory serum.

Washing his windows for a streak-free shine?

[rivendellrose]

Yeah, good guy amnesiac Blaine is just not as interesting as bleached blond bad boy Blaine. (Or as hot. I mean, I wouldn't date him, but....)

Morally dubious Blaine, however, has got some appeal. (I wouldn't date him either, but that's not the point, is it?)

I have loved both in completely different ways. I found good guy amnesiac Blaine embarrassingly adorable, but bad guy Blaine is just like having Spike from Buffy back except better because they're not getting confused about "oh but he's a NICE GUY even though he killed people!" Except when amnesia happened, of course, which is legitimate IMHO. And in general I have precisely zero shame about being attracted to good acting, and that dude is flippin' fantastic. 10/10 totally wish he'd done anything else that I actually wanted to see.

Would 100% date Ravi, but would happily watch either version of Blaine do pretty much anything for hours on end.

Washing his windows for a streak-free shine?

Lol, yes! That must be it. He just wants to clean the windows at Shady Plots (best funeral-home-run-by-a-sometime-villain name ever). ♥

[conuly]

Shady Plots is a good name, but for my money, nothing, but nothing, tops Fillmore Graves.

[rivendellrose]

Totally. Fillmore Graves had The Boy and I going "DID THEY REALLY--?!" in the season finale. Totally brilliant. And "I'm not crazy, I'm just a little undead."

Honestly, this show's use of music in the last season and a half or so has been fantastic. I've got money now on them using The Cranberries' "Zombie" for a season or series finale, but so far my favorite is a tie between "Man of La Mancha (I, Don Quixote)" when Major storms in to "rescue" his other girl and "One Day More" from Les Mis while Blaine was screwing around with his dad.

[oracleofdoom]

Oh my god, I'll be so disappointed now if they don't use "Zombie." I loved that "Man of La Mancha" bit.

[rivendellrose]

Right?! It would be so perfect! As soon as it popped into my head, I felt like they just have to!

[oracleofdoom]

He is kinda hot.

[conuly]

There is just something about bleached blond bad boys. I just wanna hug them! (Alternatively, I want to see him and Spike together at last.)

[oracleofdoom]

Yes, I really wanna know what he's doing with that serum! I have no idea! Did I miss some clue?

[rivendellrose]

If you did, I did, too. I think maybe it's indicating that his memory didn't actually come back on its own, but I can't figure out why he'd lie and say it did except to screw over Major? Or maybe because if Liv and Major both take the cure and lose their memories then he thinks he'll be in the clear?

[oracleofdoom]

Since Major's memory came back, I don't think that's it. I honestly cannot figure it out. I find a lot of shows kind of predictable, but I'm totally stumped with this one. Which is awesome. :)

[conuly]

Maybe he wants to marinate some brains as extra special goods for extra special customers?

[rivendellrose]

Ohhhh.... on a similar line to that, he could maybe be planning on presenting them as a faux 'cure' to that rich kid that Don E. was talking about, maybe?

[conuly]

Pretty sure Don E. stole the cure anyway.

[rivendellrose]

Curses, right, I forgot about that part. Dang it. Hmmmm. Blaine's brain is too twisty for me, apparently.

[conuly]

That's cuz he's playing Monopoly :P

[rivendellrose]

Yeah, I haven't figured out how that would work, either. The only thing I can come up with is that Major's memory came back awfully quickly - like, suspiciously so? So I wonder if it's actually just doing the fading-in-and-out thing, and if it's going to get worse again?

I really am impressed, yeah - I would never have believed that what seemed like such a silly little show really early on would have me so completely fascinated and hooked!

[conuly]

So I wonder if it's actually just doing the fading-in-and-out thing, and if it's going to get worse again?

Blaine's memory seems to be solidly there, for better or for worse. And in fictionland, it seems that two patients will always have the exact same side effects.

[rivendellrose]

True, but that's after they dosed him with the memory serum. We don't know yet what role that might have played.

[conuly]

Nobody knows, but it's gotta be shady. And it's some sort of plot!

[nrgburst]

That is ridiculous. What does punishment gain anybody? Why aren't they talking about reconciliation and restitution?

Also, I guess these people don't have much experience with dementia? Odd, considering it's pretty common in the elderly. But yes, let's punish grandma for shoplifting because she forgot to pay. That'll teach her! RME

Also, Liv is probably the only person on TV to use "whom" in cold blood.
I am SO SO glad somebody else noticed this! XDDD I was like bzuh, she said whom. Like out loud.

[conuly]

That is ridiculous. What does punishment gain anybody? Why aren't they talking about reconciliation and restitution?

That is what I asked! But I got a downvote, so I doubt any reply was productive.

Also, I guess these people don't have much experience with dementia? Odd, considering it's pretty common in the elderly. But yes, let's punish grandma for shoplifting because she forgot to pay. That'll teach her! RME

Exactly! I mean, my experience was "small children", but same diff. Obviously murder is different from a little bout of shoplifting, and if your mentally ill grandma or child or whoever is likely to kill again they'll need to be prevented from doing so... but that didn't appear to be the case with Blaine. (Now, who knows?)

I am SO SO glad somebody else noticed this! XDDD I was like bzuh, she said whom. Like out loud.

No joke, I really think I'm the only person I've ever met who will drop the whom word in casual conversation, and that's never gained me any friends. I was very surprised!

[oracleofdoom]

If he were someone who wanted to change, I love anti-heroes. But I'm not sure what the hell he has going on. I almost felt sorry for him, but Peyton was right. His deception there prevented people from being cured when they could have been, and that's really shitty.

Apparently this got renewed for another season, so I think it's safe to assume Liv isn't going to find a cure this season. Poor Liv.

[conuly]

Yeah, but can you imagine all of Seattle's zombie population fighting over 17 doses of serum? Not a pretty picture.