Ugh!

Nov. 10th, 2016 01:34 am
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I should not ever talk about anything important with strangers I don't know online. I know this, but I can never remember it.

So somebody accused me of being personally out of touch with the middle class, and added that Democrats being out of touch with the middle class is why Staten Island voted for Trump.

"No, I happen to live in a middle class household in a middle class neighborhood on Staten Island."

Ah, well, that just means I should have encouraged my neighbors more!

Hahahaha no.

Now, this is a map of how every neighborhood on in NYC voted. You can roughly divide Staten Island into three sections - North Shore, Mid Island, and South Shore, and these terms ought to be fairly self-explanatory. See that strip of blue in the north? Yeah, that's the North Shore. My own neighborhood came out 66% for Clinton, which is pretty much what I expected based on actually speaking with my neighbors.

If you take this zip code map you can use the zip codes here to find out the median income for each region. That's the demographic data for 10304, but you can just edit the URL to say whichever zip code you're looking at now. If you don't want to do the footwork, here's the answer: Those zip codes which are on the North Shore have median household incomes around 40 - 60k. The zip codes immediately south of the North Shore have median household incomes that are around 70 - 80k. By the time you reach the South Shore, median household incomes are around 80 - 100k.

And if you're bound and determined to compare more detailed neighborhoods with the data at DNA Info, here's a map. Isn't it pretty? Though perhaps you'll find this more readable, and it neatly divides the neighborhoods into North, Mid, and South. I did the legwork for you here as well, and the further south you go, the higher percentage of Trump voters you find.

Now, there is one other bit of demographic information here. Not only do households get wealthier as you go further south on the Island, they also get whiter. And there's no small amount of racism here, if internet comments are any indication.

So. Staten Island went Trump because of the concerns of the middle class? Nonsense - and I should know. Not only am I actually in touch with my neighbors, but I'm willing to do a little research.

Is it possible I'm out of touch with the concerns of the middle and working class in middle America? Possible and probable! I don't know shit about middle America! But I do know a little bit about Staten Island, and I don't appreciate being condescended to by know-nothings. I don't opine on the goings-on in rural Ohio, do I? No, I do not.

And I never want to hear anything else about how my neighborhood votes. My neighborhood leans Democrat. I can prove this now.
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