*shudders*

[conuly]

How can you use the word "sociolinguistic" and then ask, as your first question, if one group uses "sloppier grammar" than another?

Do I really need to review the definition of nonstandard again? Because there is NO SUCH THING as "sloppy grammar".


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Comments

[marveen.livejournal.com]

Now, now. Are you equating "sloppy"="wrong"?

Because now we're entering a whole new world of semantics. Beware of hanging value judgements on innocuous words.
Sloppy" is a descriptive just as much as your word of choice--"nonstandard"--is.

Jackson Pollack painted sloppily. True? Yet his paintings are sometimes sold for mucho dinero and much sought after.

Don't kabubyrate the issue more than you have to.

[conuly]

It's not a descriptive, it's a clear perjorative. I am not the only one who sees it that way, judging by some of the replies.

Kabubyrate?

[marveen.livejournal.com]

Well, some people see the adjective "white" as a perjorative too. I'm just pointing out that the word wasn't born bad, so to speak.

"Kabubyrate" is a piece of nonstandard vocabulary (my mother used the word as far back as I can remember). Having fun yet?

[conuly]

1. All the time, I'm having fun
2. Maybe it wasn't, but it's being used as one, which is clearly what I was talking about AND YOU KNEW IT. So stop splitting hairs. I've got enough split ends as it is.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I like the person who answered about half a dozen or so comments down to say "people who are raised so and so will so and so" - I think they made their point nicely.

As for the eye contact thing, I was so tempted to reply "I don't make eye contact in conversations, so I wouldn't know whether or not men do. But it doesn't mean I'm not interested in what you're saying, it means I'm busy watching your lips."

[marveen.livejournal.com]

Now, now. Are you equating "sloppy"="wrong"?

Because now we're entering a whole new world of semantics. Beware of hanging value judgements on innocuous words.
Sloppy" is a descriptive just as much as your word of choice--"nonstandard"--is.

Jackson Pollack painted sloppily. True? Yet his paintings are sometimes sold for mucho dinero and much sought after.

Don't kabubyrate the issue more than you have to.

[conuly]

It's not a descriptive, it's a clear perjorative. I am not the only one who sees it that way, judging by some of the replies.

Kabubyrate?

[marveen.livejournal.com]

Well, some people see the adjective "white" as a perjorative too. I'm just pointing out that the word wasn't born bad, so to speak.

"Kabubyrate" is a piece of nonstandard vocabulary (my mother used the word as far back as I can remember). Having fun yet?

[conuly]

1. All the time, I'm having fun
2. Maybe it wasn't, but it's being used as one, which is clearly what I was talking about AND YOU KNEW IT. So stop splitting hairs. I've got enough split ends as it is.

[eofs.livejournal.com]

I like the person who answered about half a dozen or so comments down to say "people who are raised so and so will so and so" - I think they made their point nicely.

As for the eye contact thing, I was so tempted to reply "I don't make eye contact in conversations, so I wouldn't know whether or not men do. But it doesn't mean I'm not interested in what you're saying, it means I'm busy watching your lips."