More people who don't believe me...

[conuly]

Okay, honestly. Who here really thinks that drinking milk is natural? Because I mentioned this to somebody and she acted like I'd said it rains pennies.

Yes. Milk. Unnatural. Humans wean by 7 or so (usually earlier, the median weaning age worldwide is 4). After that point, any milk drinking is unnatural. And it is NEVER natural for one species to suckle at the teat of another. It never has been, it never will be, especially not when it comes to adults. There's an exception made for "fostering". We've all heard of baby tigers in a zoo being put with mama dogs because the mama tiger was out of the picture somehow. I've heard of somebody doing the same thing with a squirrel and a cat. That would almost certainly not happen in the wild, but it saves lives. HOWEVER. Pulling the milk from a cow to drink in a cup? That's different, and freakish. I mean, eeeeeeew!

Of course, I eat cheese, which is worse, it's rotten milk solids, but eh. At least I know it's bad.

Comments

[malantha.livejournal.com]

yeah. i drink milk and eat cheese (and plenty of other dairy products) but i at least realize and acknowledge that it's really fucking weird.

[joeymew.livejournal.com]

I never thought it was weird until you brought it up awhile ago. But I can't eat oreo cookies without milk, so I can't give it up yet ^-^ And I heart cheese.

[literalgirl.livejournal.com]

You are SO FUNNY! :-)

Yeah - drinking cow's milk is totally nuts. And being on the spectrum, I am guessing you are familiar with the whole undigested-dairy-permeable-gut-equals-opiate-like-substances-causing-autistic-like-symptoms theory.

It's interesting, because Bolt would drink 1/2 gallon a day or more, duuring those years when he was non-verbal. And he DID act like an addict. When I went dairy-free, hoping to "treat" his autism, I don't recall it changing a thing, except he got fewer ear infections. Eventually we had dairy again, but he has never consumed it like an addict since. Just a glass or so a day (if that) and milk on cereal.

I myself *hate* milk, unless in coffee or tea or on cereal. I do however, love cheese and ice cream is ok in small doses. :-)

[conuly]

Yeah - drinking cow's milk is totally nuts. And being on the spectrum, I am guessing you are familiar with the whole undigested-dairy-permeable-gut-equals-opiate-like-substances-causing-autistic-like-symptoms theory.

Oh, hell yeah. I'm also familiar with the "eating-dairy-after-cutting-down-gives-you-severe-intestinal-problems" theory. Because it ain't a theory. The problem is I know I'm addicted to the stuff, I crave it, and then I go eat it anyway. But yeah, no plain milk. Buttermilk with pepper, sometimes, but otherwise just cheeses and ice cream. Love ice cream....

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

Sure it's weird-- but so are a lot of things that we eat. Cooking steak is pretty darn unnatural, as are sauteed veggies!

I like milk. There's scientific evidence that everything causes cancer, so I just toss it all aside now.

No, seriously. One day I heard a report that broccoli helped prevent cancer in the GI tract (I think). A few days later I heard a report that it might cause cancer. I'm afraid.

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

This milk thing is pretty interesting really. This semester I am in Biochemistry in the University of Iceland, and I had a long chat with the teacher (who I think is on the spectrum) about all of this, and about different kinds of milk. It is well known that what causes most of the problems with milk is that the consumer lacks the enzyme that digests lactose, the sugar in milk, so when the lactose comes into the lower digestive tract the bacteria there digest it, producing waste products that the digestive system can't handle. Some people retain this enzyme into adulthood, whereas mose people loose it when they are weaned. The nordic nations are among those that retain this enzyme, because milk drinking here is a thing that reaches back for at least two thousand years, so those that tolerate drinking milk were the ones that survived, because it used to be a pretty essential part of the diet, in particular in Iceland, since there was not much to eat other than animal produce. I myself is a milk addict, and I can't say that I feel any bad effects from drinking it, but it is more than likely that someone of more southern stock would not feel good at all.

I also vaguely remember hearing about carnivores, lions or wolves, I think, competing for the right to consume the udders of lactating prey, so it might not be all that unnatural, just a part of the opportunistic omnivore heritage.

As for the rotten milk solids, that is a way of bypassing the lack of that enzyme, by specifically choosing bacteria that digest the lactose in a manner that is not harmful to humans. Pretty clever, really.

[rachelkachel]

That's what I was going to say :) It may be unnatural, but so are plenty of other things... I mean, what other animals even cook?

[wetcircuitry.livejournal.com]

I think milk is weird, too.. I don't drink much of it, except in cereal and a little with cookies. Also, it helps when I have a sore throat because it's thick. But I generally don't like the taste, and dairy is fattening anyway. :/

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

Well, I know other animals use tools, but that's about it in the "unnatural" department. Then again, what defines natural anyway? I've heard some people say "anything that doesn't occur in nature" but I had to ask them about their big screen tv.

Sorry, ramble.

[squittycat.livejournal.com]

There are some pretty decent non-dairy ice-creams. Can't say the same about cheese, though.

Of course, non-dairy ice cream/cheese is probably even *more* unnatural than the dairy-derived equivalents, as it's a synthetic version of something that's already pretty weird. So hmm.

[conuly]

Yeah, really. But at least I don't end up cursing my taste in food.

[the-lady-aurora.livejournal.com]

I love full fat milk, creamy cheeses and ice cream. I know it's bad for me, the cheese especially as it contains potassium, but I can't help myself. I've started to cut back on the amount of milk I drink but the cheese...oh the cheese...I love it.

[lizziey.livejournal.com]

i'm sorry. you absolutely knew i'd have to reply on this hun. milk is GOOD! :) anything (well almost) from a cow is good. ^{yeah like you didn;t expect that comment, dear}

[malantha.livejournal.com]

yeah. i drink milk and eat cheese (and plenty of other dairy products) but i at least realize and acknowledge that it's really fucking weird.

[joeymew.livejournal.com]

I never thought it was weird until you brought it up awhile ago. But I can't eat oreo cookies without milk, so I can't give it up yet ^-^ And I heart cheese.

[literalgirl.livejournal.com]

You are SO FUNNY! :-)

Yeah - drinking cow's milk is totally nuts. And being on the spectrum, I am guessing you are familiar with the whole undigested-dairy-permeable-gut-equals-opiate-like-substances-causing-autistic-like-symptoms theory.

It's interesting, because Bolt would drink 1/2 gallon a day or more, duuring those years when he was non-verbal. And he DID act like an addict. When I went dairy-free, hoping to "treat" his autism, I don't recall it changing a thing, except he got fewer ear infections. Eventually we had dairy again, but he has never consumed it like an addict since. Just a glass or so a day (if that) and milk on cereal.

I myself *hate* milk, unless in coffee or tea or on cereal. I do however, love cheese and ice cream is ok in small doses. :-)

[conuly]

Yeah - drinking cow's milk is totally nuts. And being on the spectrum, I am guessing you are familiar with the whole undigested-dairy-permeable-gut-equals-opiate-like-substances-causing-autistic-like-symptoms theory.

Oh, hell yeah. I'm also familiar with the "eating-dairy-after-cutting-down-gives-you-severe-intestinal-problems" theory. Because it ain't a theory. The problem is I know I'm addicted to the stuff, I crave it, and then I go eat it anyway. But yeah, no plain milk. Buttermilk with pepper, sometimes, but otherwise just cheeses and ice cream. Love ice cream....

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

Sure it's weird-- but so are a lot of things that we eat. Cooking steak is pretty darn unnatural, as are sauteed veggies!

I like milk. There's scientific evidence that everything causes cancer, so I just toss it all aside now.

No, seriously. One day I heard a report that broccoli helped prevent cancer in the GI tract (I think). A few days later I heard a report that it might cause cancer. I'm afraid.

[velvetchamber.livejournal.com]

This milk thing is pretty interesting really. This semester I am in Biochemistry in the University of Iceland, and I had a long chat with the teacher (who I think is on the spectrum) about all of this, and about different kinds of milk. It is well known that what causes most of the problems with milk is that the consumer lacks the enzyme that digests lactose, the sugar in milk, so when the lactose comes into the lower digestive tract the bacteria there digest it, producing waste products that the digestive system can't handle. Some people retain this enzyme into adulthood, whereas mose people loose it when they are weaned. The nordic nations are among those that retain this enzyme, because milk drinking here is a thing that reaches back for at least two thousand years, so those that tolerate drinking milk were the ones that survived, because it used to be a pretty essential part of the diet, in particular in Iceland, since there was not much to eat other than animal produce. I myself is a milk addict, and I can't say that I feel any bad effects from drinking it, but it is more than likely that someone of more southern stock would not feel good at all.

I also vaguely remember hearing about carnivores, lions or wolves, I think, competing for the right to consume the udders of lactating prey, so it might not be all that unnatural, just a part of the opportunistic omnivore heritage.

As for the rotten milk solids, that is a way of bypassing the lack of that enzyme, by specifically choosing bacteria that digest the lactose in a manner that is not harmful to humans. Pretty clever, really.

[rachelkachel]

That's what I was going to say :) It may be unnatural, but so are plenty of other things... I mean, what other animals even cook?

[wetcircuitry.livejournal.com]

I think milk is weird, too.. I don't drink much of it, except in cereal and a little with cookies. Also, it helps when I have a sore throat because it's thick. But I generally don't like the taste, and dairy is fattening anyway. :/

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

Well, I know other animals use tools, but that's about it in the "unnatural" department. Then again, what defines natural anyway? I've heard some people say "anything that doesn't occur in nature" but I had to ask them about their big screen tv.

Sorry, ramble.

[squittycat.livejournal.com]

There are some pretty decent non-dairy ice-creams. Can't say the same about cheese, though.

Of course, non-dairy ice cream/cheese is probably even *more* unnatural than the dairy-derived equivalents, as it's a synthetic version of something that's already pretty weird. So hmm.

[conuly]

Yeah, really. But at least I don't end up cursing my taste in food.

[the-lady-aurora.livejournal.com]

I love full fat milk, creamy cheeses and ice cream. I know it's bad for me, the cheese especially as it contains potassium, but I can't help myself. I've started to cut back on the amount of milk I drink but the cheese...oh the cheese...I love it.

[lizziey.livejournal.com]

i'm sorry. you absolutely knew i'd have to reply on this hun. milk is GOOD! :) anything (well almost) from a cow is good. ^{yeah like you didn;t expect that comment, dear}