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I know, you're wondering why on earth I want to talk about that and what purpose it could possibly serve, but I promise I have a point. Plus? You get to snark on rude little Amazon commenters, and that's always fun.

Now, for those of you who have heard the name, and maybe seen a picture of one of the illustrations, but have never read it (that was me until recently) you can go read it now. There are no illustrations attached, but that's probably just as well.

All done? Well, here's the thing. I read that and - the offensive names (and illustrations_ notwithstanding, it's actually kinda a cute story. (Of course, I'm not black, so take that for what it's worth. Interestingly, I've read that in the author's dialect of the time Black Ssmbo would've been understood to be Indian, which explains the tigers and the ghee.) I mean, the kid is bullied by tigers, but... I'd give all my stuff to tigers too if it worked.

But it's been tied down with offensive names and ugly (and offensive) illustrations and so much racist baggage that people who have never been within 20 feet of the book recognize it as "offensive racist stuff". And there's really only so much "judge within the time period it was written" you can really do before you decide not to buy a book for your kids.

Funnily enough, its reputation as being racist might have saved it. Why? Because people who liked the story (but not the implications) have taken the trouble to rewrite it. I know of two versions that appear to be simple swaps where they updated the illustrations and changed the names, and one version, Sam and the Tigers, that's totally altered and expanded. Oh, and one version where, judging from the cover (haven't read it) the protagonist is white. We avoid racism, folks, by eliminating race altogether!

I really like Sam and the Tigers. There's a lot of new detail - apparently everybody in Sam's town is named Sam, which leads to a few amusing conversations, and we get to hear his parents talk about how he's a big kid and can pick out his own clothes, and the pancakes are striped just like the tigers at the end. And it includes a forward by the illustrator saying that as a kid, he never saw the racism in the book (and that he didn't think it was intended by the author, though it's sure there now), it was simply the only book he had ever seen that showed a kid who looked like him. (And that's a sad thing to think, isn't it? The situation is better now, though white people (hi!) are still overrepresented in picture books.)

So far so good. People update old stories all the time. They've been doing it about as long as people have been telling stories, which may even predate language itself for all I know! If you search Amazon for "Cinderella" you'll find various traditional versions, and versions of similar stories from other cultures, and a lot of modern versions - Cinderella as a cowgirl! Cinderella with the genders swapped! Cinderella in a city! Cinderella as a fractured fairy tale! Cinderella where she does everything herself! And no complaints there. Why should there be?

But here... oh, geez.

For the original version of Little Black Sambo there are comments that it's SO not racist and how could ANYbody EVER think that unless they were TAUGHT to see racism EVERYWHERE? (Captain, I feel that they feel a little defensive.)

Apparently, "whatever is considered "bad" in this book is the manufacture of over-sensitive adults" and "EVERYONE has had an unflattering portrayal at sometime". Ye gods. Can you guys, like, NOT insult everybody who has a view of this book opposing your own? If somebody is offended, try to figure out why before you snipe at them. That's not being PC, that's being polite.

But it gets worse when we go to the reviews of the other books. Let's see....

Sam and the Tigers

I thought I would gag. This takes the cake! It is appalling to me, a student of literature, that we must deny people the right to read a story that yes, was racist. But it was of its time and it is a truly charming story.

Because only the original can be a truly charming story. And nobody, ever, has been denied the right to read the original. It's in the gosh-darned public domain! Google it!

My grandmother read the original book to me a decade and a half ago, when I was 5. I loved it and didn't have the slightest inclination that it was unacceptable. Some wide-eyed psychologist, however, thought so, which is why it's been banned.

Yes, of course. People never come to their own conclusions, it's all the fault of that conspiracy of wide-eyed psychologists. Uh-huh. (The US, to my knowledge, does not ban books either. It's not in print, which is a far different thing.)

Recently, I bought this book for my three year old daughter. After reading it once I was very disappointed and vowed to send it back. The story is great and the illustrations are wonderful. Unfortunately, the book is full of bad grammar. The author states that he wanted to preserve the way stories were told in the Old South. There is never a good reason to perpetuate bad grammar especially in children's books.

Irrelevant, but I had to put it down. You know why I don't like this comment.

The Story of Little Babaji

Political correctness has gone completely mad in this world, and this is a great example. This is the politcally correct version of the wonderful children's book, "Little Black Sambo". I am dismayed that there are people who feel that books should be changed when they offend. If a book offends you, you don't rewrite it to suit your views, you just don't read it or share it with your children. There are so many books in this world which can cause offense. Are we going to rewrite them all?

Why *not* rewrite them all? Why *not* have more choices, more variety, more voices instead of less and less of everything? Ye GODS man! (This is the version where the ONLY thing they did is change the names and illustrations, incidentally. The original book went through, what, 20 different sets of pictures?)

So yes, this was all an excuse to mostly snark at people who apparently have never heard of the concept of "privilege". A weird thing, but that's the only explanation for that last review I can think of.

Date: 2009-06-16 06:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ancarett
"Sam and the Tigers" is an awesome book! When I was little, I was taken out to a pancake restaurant called Sambo's, complete with illustrations from the original book. I was, at three, obviously intrigued -- my mother, who was working on her M.Ed., told me the story and put it in a bit of context. I remember that she brought home a book from the library about growing up in India, after that. A couple of years later, I asked her a bit more directly about the racism in there -- was Little Black Sambo supposed to be about blacks in America, too? She did fill me in more and I was pretty sad at finding out that a favourite old story was also promoting a lot of racism.

Anyway, when my two girls were in preschool, out came "Sam and the Tigers" and my mom bought that for the girls one visit here. It's so much more clever, fun and fantastic a story! We passed it on to some other kids a few years back -- something I wouldn't have felt comfortable doing with the original book.

Date: 2009-06-16 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
There's still a Sambo's in Oregon, or there was in 1998, and they had privately-printed copies of Little Black Sambo for sale there.

I ordered pancakes. :D

Date: 2009-06-16 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beezelbubbles.livejournal.com
My mom read Little Black Sambo to me when I was a kid, and one called Liza Lou and the Swamp Haunt. I found my copy of Liza Lou a couple of months ago and was kind of shocked. She's referred to as a pickaninny, and that's pretty much where I stopped reading. My mom is one of those people who argues that Sambo isn't a racist story. "He's not black! He's Indian, so it doesn't even count!" WTF? But I'm not racist, as far as I now, so maybe a couple of kids' books from another time didn't really affect (effect? I'm having a moemnt...) me all that much. Doesn't mean I really would rather not read them to my daughter.

Date: 2009-06-16 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
Having just reread it, I don't see the racism either--without illustrations, all we know is that Sambo has a mother who's skilled at needlework, cares a lot about her little boy and is a good cook. He also has a father who goes off to work and thinks about his family when he's away from them.

Sambo himself is clever enough to talk tigers not only out of eating him but into fighting each other to butter.

Date: 2009-06-16 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dandelion.livejournal.com
The HTML version (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17824/17824-h/17824-h.htm) includes illustrations too. I'd never read it before today; having read it, I can see why people say it's offensive, but it's also very much of its time. It goes along with things like golliwogs - I think it's important that people know that "Sambo" and "golliwog" are offensive terms now, but I think it's also important to remember that the original writer was writing it with India in mind rather than Africa. It's about British cultural imperialism and its view of the Empire at that time, specifically India; I don't think it has a lot to do with African black people at all. I'm not saying it's not offensive, because it patently is (as are golliwogs), but it's not exactly fair to use it as an example of a book denigrating black people and condoning slavery, because it's just...that's not whom it's about. It belongs with A Passage To India, A Little Princess and Kipling's works, not Uncle Tom's Cabin.

Date: 2009-06-17 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dandelion.livejournal.com
Oh, it's definitely that - the books of that period are terrible in that regard. They aren't malicious, but very patronising.

And yes, the story is cute. If anything, it's actually quite a good moral - if you stay out of a fight, it's for the best, and then you get pancakes. Lots of pancakes.

Date: 2009-06-17 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marveen.livejournal.com
Is that what a golliwog is? I encountered it in a children's book (some boy's hair was so windblown that he looked "like a golliwog") and I always dismissed it as a meaningless nonsense word.

Date: 2009-06-17 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dandelion.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's a blackface character from children's books (http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/413px-the-three-golliwogs.jpg) and a brand of jam/marmalade (http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll14/frugal_dougal/golliwog/robinsons_golliwog.jpg?t=1245244275).

Date: 2009-06-16 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv8nation.livejournal.com
I remember seeing a t-shirt with Sambo on it when I was in Yokohama two years ago. I wish I could say I was surprised. But I really wasn't.

I gave up on Japan getting a clue in regards to stuff like that a long time ago.

Date: 2009-06-25 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
Yeah... I admit I grew up White and Privileged and with an old copy of "Little Black Sambo" that I rather liked as a story.

It did take me a long time to see that it was racist, because of course I'd never heard of blackface, etc, etc. I think in some ways I still only half "get it".

I was thrilled when "The Story of Little Babaji" came out, because it was a non-offensive and more accurate (ie, Indians are Indian) version of the story I had loved.

There is, of course, a fine line when it comes to changing historical literature. I still recall reading a children's novel called "The Day They Came to Arrest the Book" in which the PTA tried to get "Huckleberry Finn" banned from the classroom for use of the word "nigger". Oh boy.

Out of curiosity, have you seen the changes made to "The Voyages of Doctor Doolittle"? How do you feel about that one? I'm torn, personally-- I think they did a brilliant edit, but I worry that it's the start of a distressing trend.

I wonder if I dare address a topic like this over at [livejournal.com profile] bookaddiction or if it's too heavy...?

Date: 2009-06-25 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
Sure! Remember when they first meet Bumpo, the prince of a fictional black nation? He agrees to rescue the Doctor and crew from his father's dungeons if the Doctor can grant his greatest wish-- to be a white man. The Doctor fakes him out with some dye that turns his face and hair temporarily pale, and they end up as friends.

Yeah... I'd actually forgotten that part myself until I saw an edited version of the book. Granted, when the books were written, it made perfect sense that an intelligent black man would want to become white... for that matter, it's probably true today in some cases, too. Still, I can see why it's Not A Good Idea to have that scene in a children's novel.

So, they did some clever editing to that chapter. Now, Bumpo wants to become a lion, and the potion that the Doctor gave him to turn his hair light now gives him a lion's mane.

Like I said, I think it's an excellent edit. I'm worried, however, that next they might decide to rename Bumpo or edit him out altogether-- while he's always a very sympathetic character, he is not always portrayed in a very PC manner.

Date: 2009-07-02 12:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreams-cametrue.livejournal.com
What's the difference between removing the racism from a book written by someone for whom that was the norm for his place and time, and removing the misogyny and "ghetto-ness" (for lack of a better term) from rap music performed by someone for whom that attitude was the norm for HIS place and time? I might find both offensive but I don't think it's wise to censor either form of expression.

Date: 2009-07-03 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
"a translation from one time period to another"

Oh, I like that!


"The racism in Little Black Sambo was, I believe, accidental."

I think so too, which is why I was so happy that it was changed.

Date: 2009-07-03 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
That's an exceedingly good question. As far as the "ghetto-ness" of rap music, I don't think we, as the majority group, have the right to be offended by what a minority group expresses. Well, I guess we can be offended by it, but we shouldn't feel that we have the right to do anything about it, because that comes perilously close to imposing majority rules on a minority group. What's really offensive, when you come right down to it, is that conditions exist in the US that make any group feel that a lifestyle of violence and drug-abuse is somehow glamorous.

The misogyny in those works is a trickier question, because that's one minority group expressing hostility towards another.

This issue is why, as I stated in the bookaddiction post on this topic, I think there should be two important rules to follow in editing offensive content:
1) it should only be edited when it's something for children. Adults can just deal with being offended, or choose to avoid that author/artist.
2) it should be edited when the original intent /wasn't/ to be offensive, but was simply a product of a more ignorant time.

Heck, personally I'd like to see a ban on children's books that indoctrinate kids into particular religions... but I doubt I'll convince the general public of that!

Date: 2009-07-03 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreams-cametrue.livejournal.com
I apologize if I sounded insensitive with my "ghetto-ness" phrase. I was searching for something to contrast the racism of the past with something that was an almost polar opposite from our current frame of reference.

Keep in mind that I grew up and went all the way through public school in a place where being WASP put me in the minority, and I have spent several stretches of years at a time in my life since when I lived in places where I was in the small minority of 20% or less. My high school graduating class was approximately 70% Black, and the area where I grew up was statistically 40% Catholic although many of the Catholic kids went to the parochial school. When I speak of the "ghetto" I speak more in terms of places where American Urban culture is in the majority. There are members of the Caucasian, Latino, Asian, and other ethnic groups as well as some Blacks who are a part of the American Urban culture.

I'm not sure I agree with you about changing unintended racism in historical literature. First, one must be certain of the author's original intent and second, it's a rather slippery slope to apply current understanding of what is offensive and what isn't offensive to historical literature. If we sanitize it and then another generation applies their own standards in 50 years then soon we will lose our historical perspective.

Thank you, and again I hope I don't come across as insensitive or offensive.

Date: 2009-07-04 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
You don't. And I'm offended by a lot of "ghettoness" too-- Have I mentioned lately how much I hate music videos? And a lot of it is offensive to women in particular.

I do have to point out that even living in a community where Euro-Americans are the numerical minority is not the same as being an ethnic minority in America (however uncomfortable and frightening it may be at times!). "Minority" status is probably the wrong term, but it's the one I know, and it refers to a group's sociopolitical power rather than their actual numbers-- hence the fact that I consider women a "minority."

It would be very interesting to see if there's ever been a case where the power structure has been reversed, so that a previously minority group became the more powerful one, which would raise all sorts of new and interesting questions about offensiveness. But to my knowledge, it's never happened.

And again, the only works I'd advocate changing are those intended for children, who internalize negative messages and stereotypes in a way that adults don't, and hence should be protected from them. I think it's better explained over at the "bookaddiction" post on this topic.

Date: 2009-07-04 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreams-cametrue.livejournal.com
I suppose it depends on how comprehensively you would see the power structure reversed. In the Mississippi Delta where I lived briefly, African-Americans were in a very overwhelming majority so over 80% the elected officials (from the Law Enforcement and Mayors all the way up to the Congressman) were Black. I understand it's not the same as being a minority in the overall society but I have experienced being refused service in a business because of my race, I've been taunted because of my race, and I've been harassed by the police because of my race. It was an interesting experience, one that I think many people would learn much from.

Date: 2009-07-04 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
*nods* I see what you mean. And yes, everyone should have the experience of being at the bottom of the heap sometime!

Date: 2009-07-04 08:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
*laughs* One of the things I liked about Dark Materials was the anti-religious message!

As for Narnia... well, my feelings are very mixed. Perhaps you, too, would be interested in reading "The Magician's Book"?

Date: 2009-07-06 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
I'll have to check her out. It's interesting-- I usually don't mind religion in fantasy as much because 1) the religions aren't the ones I know and dislike and 2) the story often makes it quite obvious that the gods involved actually, beyond a doubt, exist... in which case it makes perfect sense to worship them.

I definitely like the idea of reading a book with competing religions, though! It's good to have a little realism in fantasy.

Date: 2009-07-06 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
huh-- good point. Although as a general rule, fantasy deities are great for pulling one's ass out of the fire, provided you show them the proper respect. I'd be willing to do a bit of kowtowing if it got me miracles on a regular basis, although in some ways that could be very distressing too (an aspect that Megan Whalen Turner addresses very well in her "Thief" trilogy).

And while the argument from (valid) fear may not be logical, it's sure as hell compelling. Look how easily people are convinced by imaginary threats, let alone real ones!

Are you going to Discworld Con (http://www.nadwcon.org/) this fall?

Date: 2009-06-28 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenlyzard.livejournal.com
btw, I did decide to bring this up in [livejournal.com profile] bookaddiction and gave the link to this post for reference. I hope you don't mind. If you do, let me know, and I'll come up with my own words :)

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