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conulyThis is a long, complex post with many tangentally related points, so bear with me.
My post had basically said, at one point, that neopets has such an large percentage of females on the site that what it really needs (and doesn't have) are more strong female characters, both good and bad. The few times there is a gender difference in pets (the usuki pets, the royal zafaras) the males look reasonably strong and the females look like girlygirls. I don't think there IS anything wrong with being a girlygirl but it's not the best role model, okay? Now, in fairness, plots and whatever do often have equal numbers of male and female protagonists, but let's look at the most recent plot
The meridell plot: Main female protagonist is Lisha, she's the younger sister of our main male protagonist Jeran. Jeran is the one who battles and who gets to be the hero, he watches out for his kid sister when he finds her. Lisha has one female and two male friends. All other main characters are male, from Lord Darigan to King Skarl.
Neoquest II: Our main hero is Rohane... he's also the captain of the ship in which he's stuck. His first two team members are female, the third is male. While the two female team members are important, he's the strongest, he's also the main one. I haven't gotten that far yet, so I may be mistaken, but it also seems to me like most of the bosses in this game (the king's advisor, the leximp, the miner foreman) are male. I have not yet come across a female boss.
Neoquest I: ALL the bosses are male except for Faleinn, who is cursed and becomes good once you show her the medallion. She's not bad on purpose. The vast majority of the NPCs are male. Only one or two important NPCs are female. Our main character is the gender of your pet.
Characters in Neopets: There are a few well-known villians. Some of the most well-known are Darigan, Sloth, Jhudora, the Shadow Usul, Vira. Of these, two are female. One of them (Vira) is a villian because she's obsessed with her looks. The other (Jhudora) doesn't seem to actually do anything. The Shadow Usul is refered to using both pronouns, so I'm not sure where it fits in. Darigan and Sloth BOTH have plots, the rest of them do not.
The faeries: Are all female. This is, mihi, as bad as making only the important ones male. It's just strange. And since they mostly show up when they're being whiny and demanding.... Still, it's important to note that there are strong females in neopets.
You'll notice I concentrated on villany. There's a very good reason for this. Everyone else concentrates on "girls aren't encouraged to be doctors/lawyers/firefighters". I really think girls need the chance to pretend to be mad scientists and evil politicians too, same as young boys. In fact, I'd say it's more important... you can pretend to be evil and then go back to being a good kid, and see that there really IS a lot of stuff you can do. Get it all out of your system, eh? Also, the bad guys are way cool compared to the good guys, everybody knows that. Compare Darth Vader's lines to Luke Skywalker's.
This trend of not having strong female villians goes all through popular culture, of course. Looking at star wars, we have a few female heroes: Leia (who's kickass), our rebel leader whatshername, Padme. There are NO female villians until the books, where Mara Jade quickly reforms and marries Luke. In the books, this is often explained as "the empire was evil and sexist", but I think there's more going on here. For some reason, it never occured to Lucas that females COULD be evil. I don't get it. Why shouldn't women be dictators and grand moffs? And not in the classic sci-fi sense of "grinding men to the dirt and using them merely for breeding" either, thankyouverymuch.
To look at something more recent, there's Harry Potter who has a decent number of female friends (Hermione comes to mind, a nice counterpoint to Ron) and some female sports stars (and we note that Slytherin's team has no female players). It also has silly girls in two houses with no counterpart silly boys and NO female villians until book four... where the only female villian we've seen is arrested. We see more of them in the next book (two, this time!), but one of them is only a villian because she's obsessed and in love with Fudge... a traditionally "female" reason for doing evil things, she's not evil because she's evil, she's evil because she's a little unbalanced. Do we ever see men being evil because they're obsessed with women? In books this is, not real life. You can't really complain that Harry Potter has no strong female characters, McGonagall should clear that up, but most of the silly ones (disregarding Fudge) are female, and the evil teachers (Snape, whatshisname who was voldemort, "Mad-eye") are mostly male. To me, this seems more than slightly unbalanced.
There's also shows which are very pro-female on TV. I'll name two of them and hope it doesn't embarass me too much to admit to watching very silly cartoons... Kim Possible and the Powerpuff Girls. In the first one, our protagonist is female, her male sidekick is conspicuously clueless. I'll be the first to say that her only REAL enemy is female, and the rest are all more than a little pathetic at what they do... but they're all male. I'm not sure if this was deliberate or not, but it grates as much as having an equal standard for both genders of villanry. As for the powerpuff girls, they do a little better. Most of the strong characters are female, again, though I've read this was unintentional. They had one very clearly "female" villian who stole only Susan B. Anthony dollars (and taught a valuable lesson on sexism). They have a few other female villians like Princess and Mr. Jones' wife. The vast majority of their baddies are male, though... Mojo Jojo, Fuzzy, the Gangreen Gang, Him (who acts female... odd.) and so on. Still, at least the idea of evil women isn't completely unheard of in Townsville.
Going with my trend of female-centered shows, we have the Buffyverse. I can't recall all the villains off the top of my head, but let's start:
Glory: Female. Crazy, but she was evil BEFORE she was crazy.
Dru: Female. Crazy. She was crazy BEFORE she was evil.
Spike: Male. Totally hot. Becomes good.
Evil Willow: Crazy. Generally a good girl. Only evil because she's just lost her loved one. NOT EVIL BY NATURE.
Faith: Starts good, makes a mistake, turns evil in a BIG way, turns good again. She's evil because of her bad family life, however that can be said for most male villians as well.
Evil Angel: Male. Mostly good. Lost his soul again, so he became evil.
The Mayor: Male. Totally evil. No redeeming factors.
The Master: Male. Totally evil. No redeeming factors.
Dracula: Male. Totally evil. No redeeming factors. Not as hot as people in the show thought.
The First: Neuter, can appear as both male and female. Teh evillest!!!111one
The Trio: One evil, two generally good. All male. All geeky. One of them, the evil one, is a sociopath.
Buffy is the most evenly spread out of the other popcultural things I referenced, in terms of female villiany... make your conclusions yourself.
Well, it goes on. Is this because villians are associated with positions of power that women "just can't reach"? Or because women are just "too nice" to be evil unless they're warped? I don't know. Wait for a related rant on evilness in general.
My post had basically said, at one point, that neopets has such an large percentage of females on the site that what it really needs (and doesn't have) are more strong female characters, both good and bad. The few times there is a gender difference in pets (the usuki pets, the royal zafaras) the males look reasonably strong and the females look like girlygirls. I don't think there IS anything wrong with being a girlygirl but it's not the best role model, okay? Now, in fairness, plots and whatever do often have equal numbers of male and female protagonists, but let's look at the most recent plot
The meridell plot: Main female protagonist is Lisha, she's the younger sister of our main male protagonist Jeran. Jeran is the one who battles and who gets to be the hero, he watches out for his kid sister when he finds her. Lisha has one female and two male friends. All other main characters are male, from Lord Darigan to King Skarl.
Neoquest II: Our main hero is Rohane... he's also the captain of the ship in which he's stuck. His first two team members are female, the third is male. While the two female team members are important, he's the strongest, he's also the main one. I haven't gotten that far yet, so I may be mistaken, but it also seems to me like most of the bosses in this game (the king's advisor, the leximp, the miner foreman) are male. I have not yet come across a female boss.
Neoquest I: ALL the bosses are male except for Faleinn, who is cursed and becomes good once you show her the medallion. She's not bad on purpose. The vast majority of the NPCs are male. Only one or two important NPCs are female. Our main character is the gender of your pet.
Characters in Neopets: There are a few well-known villians. Some of the most well-known are Darigan, Sloth, Jhudora, the Shadow Usul, Vira. Of these, two are female. One of them (Vira) is a villian because she's obsessed with her looks. The other (Jhudora) doesn't seem to actually do anything. The Shadow Usul is refered to using both pronouns, so I'm not sure where it fits in. Darigan and Sloth BOTH have plots, the rest of them do not.
The faeries: Are all female. This is, mihi, as bad as making only the important ones male. It's just strange. And since they mostly show up when they're being whiny and demanding.... Still, it's important to note that there are strong females in neopets.
You'll notice I concentrated on villany. There's a very good reason for this. Everyone else concentrates on "girls aren't encouraged to be doctors/lawyers/firefighters". I really think girls need the chance to pretend to be mad scientists and evil politicians too, same as young boys. In fact, I'd say it's more important... you can pretend to be evil and then go back to being a good kid, and see that there really IS a lot of stuff you can do. Get it all out of your system, eh? Also, the bad guys are way cool compared to the good guys, everybody knows that. Compare Darth Vader's lines to Luke Skywalker's.
This trend of not having strong female villians goes all through popular culture, of course. Looking at star wars, we have a few female heroes: Leia (who's kickass), our rebel leader whatshername, Padme. There are NO female villians until the books, where Mara Jade quickly reforms and marries Luke. In the books, this is often explained as "the empire was evil and sexist", but I think there's more going on here. For some reason, it never occured to Lucas that females COULD be evil. I don't get it. Why shouldn't women be dictators and grand moffs? And not in the classic sci-fi sense of "grinding men to the dirt and using them merely for breeding" either, thankyouverymuch.
To look at something more recent, there's Harry Potter who has a decent number of female friends (Hermione comes to mind, a nice counterpoint to Ron) and some female sports stars (and we note that Slytherin's team has no female players). It also has silly girls in two houses with no counterpart silly boys and NO female villians until book four... where the only female villian we've seen is arrested. We see more of them in the next book (two, this time!), but one of them is only a villian because she's obsessed and in love with Fudge... a traditionally "female" reason for doing evil things, she's not evil because she's evil, she's evil because she's a little unbalanced. Do we ever see men being evil because they're obsessed with women? In books this is, not real life. You can't really complain that Harry Potter has no strong female characters, McGonagall should clear that up, but most of the silly ones (disregarding Fudge) are female, and the evil teachers (Snape, whatshisname who was voldemort, "Mad-eye") are mostly male. To me, this seems more than slightly unbalanced.
There's also shows which are very pro-female on TV. I'll name two of them and hope it doesn't embarass me too much to admit to watching very silly cartoons... Kim Possible and the Powerpuff Girls. In the first one, our protagonist is female, her male sidekick is conspicuously clueless. I'll be the first to say that her only REAL enemy is female, and the rest are all more than a little pathetic at what they do... but they're all male. I'm not sure if this was deliberate or not, but it grates as much as having an equal standard for both genders of villanry. As for the powerpuff girls, they do a little better. Most of the strong characters are female, again, though I've read this was unintentional. They had one very clearly "female" villian who stole only Susan B. Anthony dollars (and taught a valuable lesson on sexism). They have a few other female villians like Princess and Mr. Jones' wife. The vast majority of their baddies are male, though... Mojo Jojo, Fuzzy, the Gangreen Gang, Him (who acts female... odd.) and so on. Still, at least the idea of evil women isn't completely unheard of in Townsville.
Going with my trend of female-centered shows, we have the Buffyverse. I can't recall all the villains off the top of my head, but let's start:
Glory: Female. Crazy, but she was evil BEFORE she was crazy.
Dru: Female. Crazy. She was crazy BEFORE she was evil.
Spike: Male. Totally hot. Becomes good.
Evil Willow: Crazy. Generally a good girl. Only evil because she's just lost her loved one. NOT EVIL BY NATURE.
Faith: Starts good, makes a mistake, turns evil in a BIG way, turns good again. She's evil because of her bad family life, however that can be said for most male villians as well.
Evil Angel: Male. Mostly good. Lost his soul again, so he became evil.
The Mayor: Male. Totally evil. No redeeming factors.
The Master: Male. Totally evil. No redeeming factors.
Dracula: Male. Totally evil. No redeeming factors. Not as hot as people in the show thought.
The First: Neuter, can appear as both male and female. Teh evillest!!!111one
The Trio: One evil, two generally good. All male. All geeky. One of them, the evil one, is a sociopath.
Buffy is the most evenly spread out of the other popcultural things I referenced, in terms of female villiany... make your conclusions yourself.
Well, it goes on. Is this because villians are associated with positions of power that women "just can't reach"? Or because women are just "too nice" to be evil unless they're warped? I don't know. Wait for a related rant on evilness in general.
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Date: 2004-02-10 12:08 pm (UTC)It also has silly girls in two houses with no counterpart silly boys
*koff* I'd debate that. A lot of those kids are silly, period. Colin Creevey, anyone? Or what's that credulous Hufflepuff kid's name again? Macmillan?
and NO female villians until book four... where the only female villian we've seen is arrested.
Yeah, but male bad guys get nabbed sometimes, too.
one of them is only a villian because she's obsessed and in love with Fudge... a traditionally "female" reason for doing evil things
Umbridge? I don't think she's in love with him. I think she kisses up to him because he's technically her superior. She does evil things because she's psycho and power-hungry. Fudge on the other hand does damaging, debatably "evil" things because he's gotten in over his head.
she's not evil because she's evil, she's evil because she's a little unbalanced.
Evil is by definition a little unbalanced, though. You think Voldemort isn't unbalanced? :D
Do we ever see men being evil because they're obsessed with women? In books this is, not real life.
The Phantom of the Opera. That's for a start. I'm sure there's an example in Shakespeare, although it's escaping me.
I think it's just a symptom of there not being enough strong female characters in the world, period. I mean, yes, some female villains fall into stereotypes, but so do a lot of the male ones, just like the "good guys" do.
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Date: 2004-02-10 12:17 pm (UTC)As for Shakespeare, you do not get to ruin my rant by quoting from actual classics. Popular culture only, please. Ruin my rant that way :)
Creevy and McMillan... I think you misread silly. When I say silly, I mean giggly and fawning, like Pansy Parkinson over Draco. Creevy... okay, he's classically silly, but McMillan is just stupid. There's a difference. And there's that again, Creevy is portrayed as being a random immature person, much like Ginny was (who I hadn't been thinking of when I made this post). He's got his counterpart in her... Parkinson's counterpart is Lavender, isn't it? Different type of silly.
I think it's just a symptom of there not being enough strong female characters in the world, period. I mean, yes, some female villains fall into stereotypes, but so do a lot of the male ones, just like the "good guys" do.
Of course they do. My complaint really was more because people don't seem to NOTICE the villan gender disparity like they notice the hero one. It's irritating, at best.
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Date: 2004-02-10 01:55 pm (UTC)I'll comment on the issue of strong females in children's literature and television later -- gotta go watch jeapardy with my grandmother right now.
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Date: 2004-02-10 02:07 pm (UTC)But if you're looking for the evil genius type of female villain, then you can look to Pokemon. Before Giovanni took over Team Rocket, it was run by his mother, Madam Boss. Not much is really known about her, other then that she was the one who started the MewTwo project. There's also Domino, who's one of the elite rockets who kicks some serious ass. There's also Miyamoto, but she was killed by an avalanche.
Neither Madam Boss or Domino were/are really all that warped. And they obviously have some power. ^-^
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Date: 2004-02-10 02:19 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-10 02:19 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-10 02:21 pm (UTC)2. I know nothing about Pokemon, so this is all interestingly new.
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Date: 2004-02-10 02:23 pm (UTC)2. Shit, he is. Thanks!
3. I don't think they are reality... well, no more real than the concept of supervillians in the first place.
4. Hey, sorry, this post took me an hour, I got incoherant! *rolls eyes loudly* I can't be my own quality control, and I'm too lazy to fix things. Forgive?
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Date: 2004-02-10 03:22 pm (UTC)I agree that Buffy has some great female characters. Personally my favorite kick-ass female character is Clarice Starling.
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Date: 2004-02-10 03:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-10 04:28 pm (UTC)1. Admiral Daala- former GF of Tarkin and admiral guard of Maw Installation, victim of sexism within the empire, but she still remained fanatically loyal to the Empire even after Palpatine's defeat
2. Queen Mother Ta'a Chume- Price Isolder's mother and Tenal Ka's grandmother, repeatedly tries to kill various family members in order to keep throne
3. Aurra Sing- bounty hunter, killed several jedi
4. Shira Brie/Lumiya- another former emperor's hand, tries to kill Mara Jade, basically an evil empire-loyal bounty hunter
5. Ysanne Isard- "iceheart", former director of imperial intelligence, does various evil things, never reforms before her death
These women are in various books and never reform, which is what I like about the Star Wars EU- the character diversity is great, even in the movies its at least better than average in terms of sexes/ethnicities represented. The great thing about most the Star Wars ones also is most of them are NOT motivated by love or revenege, but rather by selfishness or hunger for power. For the moveis the reason they are not prominant I believe is that the empire is sexist and it only allows them in obscure positions like Daala's even though they are clearly as capable for evil as anyone (there could be more female bounty hunters though, although the alien Zam Wesell in AOTC is female), also if the EU is correct many of the hooded emperor's hands would be female too.
The risk for authors having evil women is that I have heard literary criticism calling authors with evil female characters "women haters" which is absurd of course. The other reason evil women are not prominant is that women I believe still are still as the "nice, nurturing sex" and it seems counter-intuitive to have them as killers.
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Date: 2004-02-10 06:49 pm (UTC)Fascinating post, btw...
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Date: 2004-02-10 07:08 pm (UTC)If the Negg Faerie is male, he could give birth with those hips.
I also have to agree, though.. great post. I'm keeping it in mind.
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Date: 2004-02-10 07:23 pm (UTC)The risk for authors having evil women is that I have heard literary criticism calling authors with evil female characters "women haters" which is absurd of course. The other reason evil women are not prominant is that women I believe still are still as the "nice, nurturing sex" and it seems counter-intuitive to have them as killers.
That may be the case (I know I read something on
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Date: 2004-02-10 08:48 pm (UTC)In one of the manga stories you have Sabrina as an exectutive in Team Rocket. She's got the evil, take over the world thing down. And psychic to boot.
And from the anime you have Jessie and Cassidy. I didn't mention them before because Jessie has been on the comic relief team for awhile, even though she's evil, and Cassidy's more of a generic minion then a real trying to take over the world on her own kind of girl. Neither of them is real independent, because they're rarely seen without their male partners, but they are power hungry. But they're both really outclassed by Domino.
Ah, the joys of obsessively knowing pretty much everything about Team Rocket ^-^
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Date: 2004-02-10 08:59 pm (UTC)This elusive little character resides deep within the Neggery. It is a very chilly place in the ice caves, but if you make the trek to visit her you may be well rewarded :)
Sorry to emerge from lurkiness but I had to reply to that. :P Thw quote came directly from the About Faeries page on the site...
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Date: 2004-02-10 09:17 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-10 09:22 pm (UTC)Nice to meet you, btw. :)
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Date: 2004-02-11 09:27 am (UTC)I'm not as informed as I make myself sound... I just playact well. Well, I'm very informed about SOME things, such as linguistics and autism, but not about others.
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Date: 2004-02-10 12:08 pm (UTC)It also has silly girls in two houses with no counterpart silly boys
*koff* I'd debate that. A lot of those kids are silly, period. Colin Creevey, anyone? Or what's that credulous Hufflepuff kid's name again? Macmillan?
and NO female villians until book four... where the only female villian we've seen is arrested.
Yeah, but male bad guys get nabbed sometimes, too.
one of them is only a villian because she's obsessed and in love with Fudge... a traditionally "female" reason for doing evil things
Umbridge? I don't think she's in love with him. I think she kisses up to him because he's technically her superior. She does evil things because she's psycho and power-hungry. Fudge on the other hand does damaging, debatably "evil" things because he's gotten in over his head.
she's not evil because she's evil, she's evil because she's a little unbalanced.
Evil is by definition a little unbalanced, though. You think Voldemort isn't unbalanced? :D
Do we ever see men being evil because they're obsessed with women? In books this is, not real life.
The Phantom of the Opera. That's for a start. I'm sure there's an example in Shakespeare, although it's escaping me.
I think it's just a symptom of there not being enough strong female characters in the world, period. I mean, yes, some female villains fall into stereotypes, but so do a lot of the male ones, just like the "good guys" do.
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Date: 2004-02-10 12:17 pm (UTC)As for Shakespeare, you do not get to ruin my rant by quoting from actual classics. Popular culture only, please. Ruin my rant that way :)
Creevy and McMillan... I think you misread silly. When I say silly, I mean giggly and fawning, like Pansy Parkinson over Draco. Creevy... okay, he's classically silly, but McMillan is just stupid. There's a difference. And there's that again, Creevy is portrayed as being a random immature person, much like Ginny was (who I hadn't been thinking of when I made this post). He's got his counterpart in her... Parkinson's counterpart is Lavender, isn't it? Different type of silly.
I think it's just a symptom of there not being enough strong female characters in the world, period. I mean, yes, some female villains fall into stereotypes, but so do a lot of the male ones, just like the "good guys" do.
Of course they do. My complaint really was more because people don't seem to NOTICE the villan gender disparity like they notice the hero one. It's irritating, at best.
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Date: 2004-02-10 01:55 pm (UTC)I'll comment on the issue of strong females in children's literature and television later -- gotta go watch jeapardy with my grandmother right now.
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Date: 2004-02-10 02:07 pm (UTC)But if you're looking for the evil genius type of female villain, then you can look to Pokemon. Before Giovanni took over Team Rocket, it was run by his mother, Madam Boss. Not much is really known about her, other then that she was the one who started the MewTwo project. There's also Domino, who's one of the elite rockets who kicks some serious ass. There's also Miyamoto, but she was killed by an avalanche.
Neither Madam Boss or Domino were/are really all that warped. And they obviously have some power. ^-^
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Date: 2004-02-10 02:19 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-10 02:19 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-10 02:21 pm (UTC)2. I know nothing about Pokemon, so this is all interestingly new.
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Date: 2004-02-10 02:23 pm (UTC)2. Shit, he is. Thanks!
3. I don't think they are reality... well, no more real than the concept of supervillians in the first place.
4. Hey, sorry, this post took me an hour, I got incoherant! *rolls eyes loudly* I can't be my own quality control, and I'm too lazy to fix things. Forgive?
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Date: 2004-02-10 03:22 pm (UTC)I agree that Buffy has some great female characters. Personally my favorite kick-ass female character is Clarice Starling.
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Date: 2004-02-10 03:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-10 04:28 pm (UTC)1. Admiral Daala- former GF of Tarkin and admiral guard of Maw Installation, victim of sexism within the empire, but she still remained fanatically loyal to the Empire even after Palpatine's defeat
2. Queen Mother Ta'a Chume- Price Isolder's mother and Tenal Ka's grandmother, repeatedly tries to kill various family members in order to keep throne
3. Aurra Sing- bounty hunter, killed several jedi
4. Shira Brie/Lumiya- another former emperor's hand, tries to kill Mara Jade, basically an evil empire-loyal bounty hunter
5. Ysanne Isard- "iceheart", former director of imperial intelligence, does various evil things, never reforms before her death
These women are in various books and never reform, which is what I like about the Star Wars EU- the character diversity is great, even in the movies its at least better than average in terms of sexes/ethnicities represented. The great thing about most the Star Wars ones also is most of them are NOT motivated by love or revenege, but rather by selfishness or hunger for power. For the moveis the reason they are not prominant I believe is that the empire is sexist and it only allows them in obscure positions like Daala's even though they are clearly as capable for evil as anyone (there could be more female bounty hunters though, although the alien Zam Wesell in AOTC is female), also if the EU is correct many of the hooded emperor's hands would be female too.
The risk for authors having evil women is that I have heard literary criticism calling authors with evil female characters "women haters" which is absurd of course. The other reason evil women are not prominant is that women I believe still are still as the "nice, nurturing sex" and it seems counter-intuitive to have them as killers.
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Date: 2004-02-10 06:49 pm (UTC)Fascinating post, btw...
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Date: 2004-02-10 07:08 pm (UTC)If the Negg Faerie is male, he could give birth with those hips.
I also have to agree, though.. great post. I'm keeping it in mind.
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Date: 2004-02-10 07:23 pm (UTC)The risk for authors having evil women is that I have heard literary criticism calling authors with evil female characters "women haters" which is absurd of course. The other reason evil women are not prominant is that women I believe still are still as the "nice, nurturing sex" and it seems counter-intuitive to have them as killers.
That may be the case (I know I read something on
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Date: 2004-02-10 08:48 pm (UTC)In one of the manga stories you have Sabrina as an exectutive in Team Rocket. She's got the evil, take over the world thing down. And psychic to boot.
And from the anime you have Jessie and Cassidy. I didn't mention them before because Jessie has been on the comic relief team for awhile, even though she's evil, and Cassidy's more of a generic minion then a real trying to take over the world on her own kind of girl. Neither of them is real independent, because they're rarely seen without their male partners, but they are power hungry. But they're both really outclassed by Domino.
Ah, the joys of obsessively knowing pretty much everything about Team Rocket ^-^
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Date: 2004-02-10 08:59 pm (UTC)This elusive little character resides deep within the Neggery. It is a very chilly place in the ice caves, but if you make the trek to visit her you may be well rewarded :)
Sorry to emerge from lurkiness but I had to reply to that. :P Thw quote came directly from the About Faeries page on the site...
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Date: 2004-02-10 09:17 pm (UTC)Re:
Date: 2004-02-10 09:22 pm (UTC)Nice to meet you, btw. :)
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Date: 2004-02-11 09:27 am (UTC)I'm not as informed as I make myself sound... I just playact well. Well, I'm very informed about SOME things, such as linguistics and autism, but not about others.