conuly

Y'know, it's interesting, because I was thinking about precisely the same thing yesterday! Where is the media attention on this? It seems like something this just plain depraved should garner a lot more media attention...

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Cah i "loan" your icon? pritty please? much icon love there.

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Feel free; just credit me in the description. (Not that I did much other than gathering screenshots and superimposing text, but still.)

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Oh dear.

Condolences to Katie and all those affected.

Which of course is the global community ... if only they would open up their hearts and minds.

We need to promote the good life in as many forums and contexts, and autistic people for me are the integral part of that effort.

Let's have more good news stories about autistic people leading and following their bliss. This will in turn enrich people's awareness, pride and sense of power and control, which is so badly violated in all examples where trust is not given with a good will and full acceptance of the consequences.

I am aware and proud of you for all the conscious raising you do with random kindnesses and small every day ways.

Adelaide Dupont
(speaking as myself)

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solicitous.livejournal.com

I live IN Oregon, and NOT all that far from Albany, and I hadn't heard of this.

Thank you for posting this.

*gets ready for a HUGE rant*

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(Warning: unpleasant comment)

A few years ago a 13-year-old boy in my hometown was tortured and murdered, his dismembered body found around the town (over a few days) in bin bags, the head eventually turning up on a playing field used by two primary schools. The perpetrators were all teenagers.

It made national news for one night. Blink and you'd have missed it.

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It's okay.

You must feel so free.

Make a class action, write a legal brief and DO SOMETHING.

Don't stay powerless or stray too far from the path of natural law and its consequences, nor forget too long its ancedotes, antedecents, nor ever ever betray its legacy.

I am gunning for you in memory of his legacy.

May we all honour it as members of the reality-based global village.

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I don't entirely understand what you're trying to say.

I also don't think you exactly got my point.

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becasue unless a murder is either some random mystery or confirms to some sort of grissley sterotype or is quantity rahter than quality, nobody realy seems to give a shit. This is true enouhg for all murders, not jsut ones whre a parent snapes n murders a child, no matter if that child is autistic or not autistic. recall that modern news is regarded by most people as a source of entertainment and thus news items about people breaking through their sociatal conditioning to slay their dependents are to disturbing to be entertainment, thus often aint featured

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Forgive me for my respectful challenge of what must have been a strongly held opinion. What sunshine and shadows formed your personal beliefs and convictions, but if you have read my work over the past 10 weeks - a full academic quarter for me and presumably for all students here - you will have a full and fairly complete and ever changing understanding. There are of course certain views and beliefs which I have upheld from cognisance and early childhood, that come from deep abuses.

From deep abuse comes deep healing and deep potential and deep rewards that will keep on giving and giving.

Don't you worry. Don't you fear. Never feel hopeless. There is no individual to blame - and we all of us like to feel special in the eyes of someone - many very good people - I certainly include myself as centre and core and front and back in this contention - have done what may be seen in the eyes of a narrow moral kailedescope (pick your media/advertising/persuasive poison) as very very bad things. Always think that it might have happened out of self-defence and self-preservation. If the balance of the man's mind is damaged, please please use restorative justice and respective, critical, constructive feedback, and give him a postitive role where he can be so much more to the good - or at least the neu(t)ral/(neutral) than he was before.

I am a survivor. I will thrive. I wish good will and good luck for you all. It is so worth it when you finally break free of so many chains. David Helfgott said - and I trust him here as he has had first hand experience and has since gone strength to strength in work and love! - I envy him this! And to me he is a great supporter of the Mad Movement and a prominent PsychoHeresySurvivor. He is awesome and his art builds relationships and networking which is otherwise not possible.

Please as a human being I plead you to consider the matter much more broadly, widely and deeply. I open my hands out - with me you know you will get a handholding, hand over hand through modelling or scaffolding - my interventions are positive, active, direct and always fundamentally honest - read Dibs in Search of Self if you are searching for the taproot, and Sybil too. I love how Sybil reclaimed her maths. And her anger. I have been feeling really angry recently. There are prominent politicians - their job is to maintain the rage. We will never forget November 11 1975 - not just for the obvious Dismissal - but for the nurse's strike which Rosemary Crossley - a Melbournian - an enabler - a striver - a plodder - a wonderful career in helping and giving - a communicator on and from both sides now - tried to stop at St Nicolas hospital.

Never stop trying. Never stop living and doing your very very best (Eustacia Cutler - Howdy Doody).

Adelaide Dupont
member of the reality-based autism pride/psychiatric survivor of 11 years and experiences both sides every day!

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leora.livejournal.com

Would you please explain how your comment related to the comment you were replying to. And also what disagreement you have with your respectful challenge, as it is not clear what you are challenging or how your view differs from any view stated in this thread. I found it very confusing.

To Conuly, no, I wouldn't. But then, I get huge amounts of my news from you and griffen these days, so that's not surprising. I also don't consider murders to be much in the way of news. They rarely affect much of the world. I usually consider news to be things like how the economy is doing, political movements, etc. This is only news because it reflects a cultural attitude and problem, not because one parent flipped out once and killed a kid. As an isolated incident, it's just not really news. As a trend, it is important. At least, in my opinion.

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conuly

Point taken and appreciated, too tired to say anything else.

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Eh? *scans my post* nooo i dont htink i missed anything out.. I dislike and hate the media for utrning its self into a whoreish circus. I;ve spent years observing people buildign nwall of not give a shit about someonw else cause the responsibility of giving a shit is too awesome to live with. My general distain for the inhumanity of your average person doesent depress me.. it jsut makes me value real humns a hell of a lot more.

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sayga.livejournal.com

I wouldn't've heard about either of those. But I don't watch the news or much tv at all. I would have to hear it from someone else if ANYTHING happened...

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darkpoole.livejournal.com

From the article: Investigators determined that the fire had been set with some sort of paper in the living room.

Prosecutor Michael Wynhausen said Monday that the time from when Nicolaas and Agnes DeGroot left to the time the fire started indicated that they started the blaze and then "sealed" Christopher inside alone.

I live in Oregon and I hadn't heard about this.

Also, under Oregon law, "criminal homicide constitutes murder *** [w]hen it is committed by a person, acting either alone or with one or more persons, who commits or attempts to commit [specific listed crimes, including Arson in the first degree] and in the course of and in furtherence of the crime *** the person, or another participant *** causes the death of a person, other than one of the participants ***" (That's Oregon Revised Statutes 163.115(1)(b)(A) if you're curious.)

What's this "manslaughter" crap? Killing someone in an act of first degree arson is murder punishable by imprisonment for life with a minimum of 25 years before any possibility of parole. First degree manslaughter, by comparison, is a Class A felony, with a maximum sentence of 20 years.

But if the prosecutor is charging a class A felony, that probably means he's willing to plead it down. If the news report is accurate, he isn't even starting with the appropriate charge for this kind of crime.

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malantha.livejournal.com

I haven't heard anything about the 2 murders at ALL (even on LJ/other sites) other than your posts. That's really sad. :\

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Y'know, it's interesting, because I was thinking about precisely the same thing yesterday! Where is the media attention on this? It seems like something this just plain depraved should garner a lot more media attention...

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Cah i "loan" your icon? pritty please? much icon love there.

From:

Feel free; just credit me in the description. (Not that I did much other than gathering screenshots and superimposing text, but still.)

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Oh dear.

Condolences to Katie and all those affected.

Which of course is the global community ... if only they would open up their hearts and minds.

We need to promote the good life in as many forums and contexts, and autistic people for me are the integral part of that effort.

Let's have more good news stories about autistic people leading and following their bliss. This will in turn enrich people's awareness, pride and sense of power and control, which is so badly violated in all examples where trust is not given with a good will and full acceptance of the consequences.

I am aware and proud of you for all the conscious raising you do with random kindnesses and small every day ways.

Adelaide Dupont
(speaking as myself)

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solicitous.livejournal.com

I live IN Oregon, and NOT all that far from Albany, and I hadn't heard of this.

Thank you for posting this.

*gets ready for a HUGE rant*

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(Warning: unpleasant comment)

A few years ago a 13-year-old boy in my hometown was tortured and murdered, his dismembered body found around the town (over a few days) in bin bags, the head eventually turning up on a playing field used by two primary schools. The perpetrators were all teenagers.

It made national news for one night. Blink and you'd have missed it.

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It's okay.

You must feel so free.

Make a class action, write a legal brief and DO SOMETHING.

Don't stay powerless or stray too far from the path of natural law and its consequences, nor forget too long its ancedotes, antedecents, nor ever ever betray its legacy.

I am gunning for you in memory of his legacy.

May we all honour it as members of the reality-based global village.

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I don't entirely understand what you're trying to say.

I also don't think you exactly got my point.

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becasue unless a murder is either some random mystery or confirms to some sort of grissley sterotype or is quantity rahter than quality, nobody realy seems to give a shit. This is true enouhg for all murders, not jsut ones whre a parent snapes n murders a child, no matter if that child is autistic or not autistic. recall that modern news is regarded by most people as a source of entertainment and thus news items about people breaking through their sociatal conditioning to slay their dependents are to disturbing to be entertainment, thus often aint featured

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Forgive me for my respectful challenge of what must have been a strongly held opinion. What sunshine and shadows formed your personal beliefs and convictions, but if you have read my work over the past 10 weeks - a full academic quarter for me and presumably for all students here - you will have a full and fairly complete and ever changing understanding. There are of course certain views and beliefs which I have upheld from cognisance and early childhood, that come from deep abuses.

From deep abuse comes deep healing and deep potential and deep rewards that will keep on giving and giving.

Don't you worry. Don't you fear. Never feel hopeless. There is no individual to blame - and we all of us like to feel special in the eyes of someone - many very good people - I certainly include myself as centre and core and front and back in this contention - have done what may be seen in the eyes of a narrow moral kailedescope (pick your media/advertising/persuasive poison) as very very bad things. Always think that it might have happened out of self-defence and self-preservation. If the balance of the man's mind is damaged, please please use restorative justice and respective, critical, constructive feedback, and give him a postitive role where he can be so much more to the good - or at least the neu(t)ral/(neutral) than he was before.

I am a survivor. I will thrive. I wish good will and good luck for you all. It is so worth it when you finally break free of so many chains. David Helfgott said - and I trust him here as he has had first hand experience and has since gone strength to strength in work and love! - I envy him this! And to me he is a great supporter of the Mad Movement and a prominent PsychoHeresySurvivor. He is awesome and his art builds relationships and networking which is otherwise not possible.

Please as a human being I plead you to consider the matter much more broadly, widely and deeply. I open my hands out - with me you know you will get a handholding, hand over hand through modelling or scaffolding - my interventions are positive, active, direct and always fundamentally honest - read Dibs in Search of Self if you are searching for the taproot, and Sybil too. I love how Sybil reclaimed her maths. And her anger. I have been feeling really angry recently. There are prominent politicians - their job is to maintain the rage. We will never forget November 11 1975 - not just for the obvious Dismissal - but for the nurse's strike which Rosemary Crossley - a Melbournian - an enabler - a striver - a plodder - a wonderful career in helping and giving - a communicator on and from both sides now - tried to stop at St Nicolas hospital.

Never stop trying. Never stop living and doing your very very best (Eustacia Cutler - Howdy Doody).

Adelaide Dupont
member of the reality-based autism pride/psychiatric survivor of 11 years and experiences both sides every day!

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leora.livejournal.com

Would you please explain how your comment related to the comment you were replying to. And also what disagreement you have with your respectful challenge, as it is not clear what you are challenging or how your view differs from any view stated in this thread. I found it very confusing.

To Conuly, no, I wouldn't. But then, I get huge amounts of my news from you and griffen these days, so that's not surprising. I also don't consider murders to be much in the way of news. They rarely affect much of the world. I usually consider news to be things like how the economy is doing, political movements, etc. This is only news because it reflects a cultural attitude and problem, not because one parent flipped out once and killed a kid. As an isolated incident, it's just not really news. As a trend, it is important. At least, in my opinion.

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conuly

Point taken and appreciated, too tired to say anything else.

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