I was here?

Aug. 9th, 2005 02:19 am
conuly: (Default)
[personal profile] conuly
When I make a link, I say "I was here" or "this can be found here" or whatnot. But shouldn't that be there? From the context of reading my journal, here can only be "my journal". In real life, if I point to some location that's not where I am, I say "I was there", or "you'll find it there". But online, when I use a link to point to a site other than the site you and I actually are, I say here?

WHY?

Date: 2005-08-09 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] closingxtime.livejournal.com
Well, when you say 'here' and are linking like this: it was here (http://www.livejournal.com) then it's like putting your finger on something and saying "it was HERE!" with your finger on the thing, you know?

Linking to here is putting your finger on it basically. That's how I see it.

Date: 2005-08-09 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladytabitha.livejournal.com
It scans in my head as pointing to something.  Not like an over-there sense, but like you've brought the thing with you to hold up and go, "Like here."

I'm not allowed to make sense after midnight, so this might not be English.

Date: 2005-08-09 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
Really. Where was Ram Dass when he wrote "Be Here Now"? And when? GAH!

Date: 2005-08-09 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brownkitty.livejournal.com
Well...I tried to explain to my children the other day that we'll never get to "there", since as soon as we get to "there" it immediately becomes "here"...

I don't take "here" to mean that you're still looking at the stuff at that link. I take "here" to mean "in the context of this link." Not a physical location, but a mental one. "

Does that make any sense?

Date: 2005-08-09 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingembre.livejournal.com
I think you'll like this post. (http://www.livejournal.com/users/mistermocha/67591.html?mode=reply)

Date: 2005-08-09 02:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
consider how you'd refer to something if it was on a piece of paper in your hand ... say some maps, or a book.

"and on this page, here ..."

many of the idioms in the online world translate from the idea of electronic paper/books.

it's also, perhaps, about time - or perhsp more accurately, space. since the link was on the screen in front of you - you didn't have to travel in space, you brought the thing to you.

Date: 2005-08-09 02:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maelorin
that's pretty much it.

Date: 2005-08-09 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sporks5000.livejournal.com
Pointing on the internet is more like pointing to a location on a map than pointing down the street at a hotdog vendor.

Hey, does New York really have hotdog vendors? Because I so have a hankerin' for a hot dog, and I've got to go to the gas station to get mine...

Date: 2005-08-09 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sporks5000.livejournal.com
Connie, ignore my answer. The above answer is much better than mine.

Date: 2005-08-09 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] closingxtime.livejournal.com
Well, when you say 'here' and are linking like this: it was here (http://www.livejournal.com) then it's like putting your finger on something and saying "it was HERE!" with your finger on the thing, you know?

Linking to here is putting your finger on it basically. That's how I see it.

Date: 2005-08-09 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladytabitha.livejournal.com
It scans in my head as pointing to something.  Not like an over-there sense, but like you've brought the thing with you to hold up and go, "Like here."

I'm not allowed to make sense after midnight, so this might not be English.

Date: 2005-08-09 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dkmnow.livejournal.com
Really. Where was Ram Dass when he wrote "Be Here Now"? And when? GAH!

Date: 2005-08-09 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brownkitty.livejournal.com
Well...I tried to explain to my children the other day that we'll never get to "there", since as soon as we get to "there" it immediately becomes "here"...

I don't take "here" to mean that you're still looking at the stuff at that link. I take "here" to mean "in the context of this link." Not a physical location, but a mental one. "

Does that make any sense?

Date: 2005-08-09 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingembre.livejournal.com
I think you'll like this post. (http://www.livejournal.com/users/mistermocha/67591.html?mode=reply)

Date: 2005-08-09 02:10 pm (UTC)
maelorin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maelorin
consider how you'd refer to something if it was on a piece of paper in your hand ... say some maps, or a book.

"and on this page, here ..."

many of the idioms in the online world translate from the idea of electronic paper/books.

it's also, perhaps, about time - or perhsp more accurately, space. since the link was on the screen in front of you - you didn't have to travel in space, you brought the thing to you.

Date: 2005-08-09 02:25 pm (UTC)
maelorin: (Default)
From: [personal profile] maelorin
that's pretty much it.

Date: 2005-08-09 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sporks5000.livejournal.com
Pointing on the internet is more like pointing to a location on a map than pointing down the street at a hotdog vendor.

Hey, does New York really have hotdog vendors? Because I so have a hankerin' for a hot dog, and I've got to go to the gas station to get mine...

Date: 2005-08-09 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sporks5000.livejournal.com
Connie, ignore my answer. The above answer is much better than mine.

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