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Apr. 4th, 2005 04:09 pmconuly
"The United States is the great nation it is because of its moral code. Canada isn't even considered a Christian nation anymore and they seem OK with that. It's more of a melting pot. That doesn't make any sense to me."
Bob MacCready's already written to Canadian Liberal MPs who support allowing gays to marry, telling them he thinks it's against God's own law and everything that's decent.
Render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar's.
Now he's thinking of sending a second letter to underscore his fervent opposition to Canada's pending same-sex marriage legislation, expected to pass this spring.
A conservative Christian who lives near Philadelphia, MacCready is one of untold Americans who've been flooding the offices of Canadian politicians with letters and calls in the past few weeks.
Oh holy fuck. Seriously, WHY on earth do they think that Canadian politicians care what they think? Canadian lawmakers are charged with one duty: to uphold the wishes of their constituents. That is, their voters. Want to have a voice in Canadian politics? Move to Canada and become a citizen.
Many have relatives north of the border but have never before become involved in a Canadian political issue.
It's a trend that belies the strong convictions and polarized debate stirred in the United States, where President George W. Bush supports a constitutional amendment to outlaw same-sex marriages.
Bush is an idiot. 'nuff said. But even he hasn't messed with Canada. Yet. (Probably because you can't justify stealing oil from white people who speak English)
MacCready's married daughter lives in London, Ont., with his four grandchildren and he once considered moving to Canada to be close to them.
"We're very concerned about the way things are going there," he said in a recent telephone interview from his home in Media, Pa. "How is it going to be for my grandchildren growing up?"
OH NOES! They might... live near married people!
MacCready, a businessman, says he's sensitive to the fact that Canadians might not appreciate people like him voicing their views on a national issue, but he just can't stay silent.
It's called self-control. Learn it, live it, love it. You can do it!
"What I'm saying needs to be heard," he says. "I also feel a bit sad that (the two countries) aren't working more in harmony. It's like we've grown apart."
THEY AREN'T THE SAME COUNTRY! And it's not even like some sort of massive human right's violation which would justify this sort of thing. If Canada had decided to kill off people of a certain religion, sure, that's a good thing to get involved in, even if you aren't Canadian. This? Unless people are dying, you need to butt out. Let the Canadians solve their own problems, and then they can stay out of our problems. Everybody's happy.
Dorothy McCallum, a retired bookkeeper, has been faxing and re-faxing letters to Ontario MPs from her home in Royal Oak, Mich.
"We're not against gay people themselves," says McCallum. "We feel (gay marriage) is wrong by the Bible. We're Christian believers and we just feel very strongly that this is not a good bill."
Nobody cares. Not only is Canada not based on biblical law, but your home country of the US isn't either.
McCallum and MacCready say their lobbying is personal and they're not affiliated with any of the powerful conservative religious groups in the U.S.
Credited with helping re-elect Bush last fall, groups like the Moral Majority Coalition and Christian Coalition have been pushing their social agenda harder than ever.
Now some are supporting efforts in Canada to defeat the same-sex bill, introduced earlier this month.
*sighs deeply*
...
Staff workers in some MPs offices have complained about the unique deluge of mail and phone calls that began in earnest in late January, about a week before the legislation was introduced.
I'd complain too!
Most don't respond to correspondence that's not from constituents.
Good on them. They don't have to.
Tony Cortese, an ethics professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, says pressure from the U.S. on the issue is "really out of bounds."
"I can see why they're doing it. They're worried about the spillover effect from Canada (if the bill passes). But we wouldn't think of interfering with any other Canadian law."
Moreover, can you imagine the headlines if Canadians wanted to interfere with our laws? It'd be pandemonium! How arrogant, to assume you have the right to interfere with other... oh, nevermind.
It appears there's little Canada can do about organized U.S. lobby efforts, says Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, who's concerned the Canadian debate could be skewed by those who don't understand "we've got court decisions in the country that are different from the United States."
Heck, a lot of them don't even understand that different states have different decisions.
Ellen Wyman says she's just exercising an important prerogative.
An American citizen married to a Canadian, Wyman has lived in London, Ont., for 33 years and has been writing letters for weeks to gay marriage supporters in Parliament.
You *barely* qualify to do this. 'cuz you live there.
"Sometimes the government needs to be told what to do," Wyman said from Cleveland, where she has been dealing with a family illness.
"The United States is the great nation it is because of its moral code. Canada isn't even considered a Christian nation anymore and they seem OK with that. It's more of a melting pot. That doesn't make any sense to me."
You're an idiot. Please, stay far away from here. Far, FAR away from here.
Wyman, whose family owns construction and masonry businesses, says they'll pull everything out and move back to Ohio - with their three grown children and their families - if the legislation goes through.
D'oh!
She says they have a lot of business friends who feel the same way.
"You'd be surprised how many people consider it kinky and think it's the beginning of a rotting in this society," said Wyman.
And you, my friend, would be surprised at how many people consider it none of their business, and think that what people do in bed has little, if any impact on the greater culture.
"The economy is going to fall apart. Once the morals start to go, then health care is going to go."
WTF? How on earth do you figure that one out? (Not like we have health care anyway, or a strong economy, despite our moral posturing, but that's a different issue). *cracks up laughing* Well, it's either laugh or cry, right?
Wyman is particularly incensed that Prime Minister Paul Martin has pushed up the timetable on the bill and is insisting that cabinet ministers support it.
"It's corrupt. I don't know where Martin's getting this authority."
Where do you get the authority to tell people what to do in a land where you aren't even a citizen?
Bob MacCready's already written to Canadian Liberal MPs who support allowing gays to marry, telling them he thinks it's against God's own law and everything that's decent.
Render unto Caesar those things which are Caesar's.
Now he's thinking of sending a second letter to underscore his fervent opposition to Canada's pending same-sex marriage legislation, expected to pass this spring.
A conservative Christian who lives near Philadelphia, MacCready is one of untold Americans who've been flooding the offices of Canadian politicians with letters and calls in the past few weeks.
Oh holy fuck. Seriously, WHY on earth do they think that Canadian politicians care what they think? Canadian lawmakers are charged with one duty: to uphold the wishes of their constituents. That is, their voters. Want to have a voice in Canadian politics? Move to Canada and become a citizen.
Many have relatives north of the border but have never before become involved in a Canadian political issue.
It's a trend that belies the strong convictions and polarized debate stirred in the United States, where President George W. Bush supports a constitutional amendment to outlaw same-sex marriages.
Bush is an idiot. 'nuff said. But even he hasn't messed with Canada. Yet. (Probably because you can't justify stealing oil from white people who speak English)
MacCready's married daughter lives in London, Ont., with his four grandchildren and he once considered moving to Canada to be close to them.
"We're very concerned about the way things are going there," he said in a recent telephone interview from his home in Media, Pa. "How is it going to be for my grandchildren growing up?"
OH NOES! They might... live near married people!
MacCready, a businessman, says he's sensitive to the fact that Canadians might not appreciate people like him voicing their views on a national issue, but he just can't stay silent.
It's called self-control. Learn it, live it, love it. You can do it!
"What I'm saying needs to be heard," he says. "I also feel a bit sad that (the two countries) aren't working more in harmony. It's like we've grown apart."
THEY AREN'T THE SAME COUNTRY! And it's not even like some sort of massive human right's violation which would justify this sort of thing. If Canada had decided to kill off people of a certain religion, sure, that's a good thing to get involved in, even if you aren't Canadian. This? Unless people are dying, you need to butt out. Let the Canadians solve their own problems, and then they can stay out of our problems. Everybody's happy.
Dorothy McCallum, a retired bookkeeper, has been faxing and re-faxing letters to Ontario MPs from her home in Royal Oak, Mich.
"We're not against gay people themselves," says McCallum. "We feel (gay marriage) is wrong by the Bible. We're Christian believers and we just feel very strongly that this is not a good bill."
Nobody cares. Not only is Canada not based on biblical law, but your home country of the US isn't either.
McCallum and MacCready say their lobbying is personal and they're not affiliated with any of the powerful conservative religious groups in the U.S.
Credited with helping re-elect Bush last fall, groups like the Moral Majority Coalition and Christian Coalition have been pushing their social agenda harder than ever.
Now some are supporting efforts in Canada to defeat the same-sex bill, introduced earlier this month.
*sighs deeply*
...
Staff workers in some MPs offices have complained about the unique deluge of mail and phone calls that began in earnest in late January, about a week before the legislation was introduced.
I'd complain too!
Most don't respond to correspondence that's not from constituents.
Good on them. They don't have to.
Tony Cortese, an ethics professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, says pressure from the U.S. on the issue is "really out of bounds."
"I can see why they're doing it. They're worried about the spillover effect from Canada (if the bill passes). But we wouldn't think of interfering with any other Canadian law."
Moreover, can you imagine the headlines if Canadians wanted to interfere with our laws? It'd be pandemonium! How arrogant, to assume you have the right to interfere with other... oh, nevermind.
It appears there's little Canada can do about organized U.S. lobby efforts, says Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, who's concerned the Canadian debate could be skewed by those who don't understand "we've got court decisions in the country that are different from the United States."
Heck, a lot of them don't even understand that different states have different decisions.
Ellen Wyman says she's just exercising an important prerogative.
An American citizen married to a Canadian, Wyman has lived in London, Ont., for 33 years and has been writing letters for weeks to gay marriage supporters in Parliament.
You *barely* qualify to do this. 'cuz you live there.
"Sometimes the government needs to be told what to do," Wyman said from Cleveland, where she has been dealing with a family illness.
"The United States is the great nation it is because of its moral code. Canada isn't even considered a Christian nation anymore and they seem OK with that. It's more of a melting pot. That doesn't make any sense to me."
You're an idiot. Please, stay far away from here. Far, FAR away from here.
Wyman, whose family owns construction and masonry businesses, says they'll pull everything out and move back to Ohio - with their three grown children and their families - if the legislation goes through.
D'oh!
She says they have a lot of business friends who feel the same way.
"You'd be surprised how many people consider it kinky and think it's the beginning of a rotting in this society," said Wyman.
And you, my friend, would be surprised at how many people consider it none of their business, and think that what people do in bed has little, if any impact on the greater culture.
"The economy is going to fall apart. Once the morals start to go, then health care is going to go."
WTF? How on earth do you figure that one out? (Not like we have health care anyway, or a strong economy, despite our moral posturing, but that's a different issue). *cracks up laughing* Well, it's either laugh or cry, right?
Wyman is particularly incensed that Prime Minister Paul Martin has pushed up the timetable on the bill and is insisting that cabinet ministers support it.
"It's corrupt. I don't know where Martin's getting this authority."
Where do you get the authority to tell people what to do in a land where you aren't even a citizen?
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Date: 2005-04-04 01:33 pm (UTC)Oh, so that's what happened.
I'd been wondering.
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Date: 2005-04-04 01:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 01:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 02:00 pm (UTC)I can't help feeling thankful that there's a big patch of deep water between America and the UK.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:19 pm (UTC)yup, apparently.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:23 pm (UTC)Actually, Canada isn't a melting pot. We're more of a tossed salad. People come here from other countries and they still keep their traditional ways of life. They're not pressured to conform or to become more "Canadian."
"Wyman, whose family owns construction and masonry businesses, says they'll pull everything out and move back to Ohio - with their three grown children and their families - if the legislation goes through"
Good. We don't want them here.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:27 pm (UTC)NEITHER DO WE! *shoves them back at you* You can *afford* the sillies. We can't, we have too many of them as it is!
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:28 pm (UTC)Wheee, fun! *lol* Sorry, that line just made me laugh.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 03:07 pm (UTC)Okay, that made me laugh and laugh and laugh!
it isn't federal and provincial mismanagement of the health care system, it's those damn GHEYS!
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Date: 2005-04-04 03:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 03:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 07:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 07:55 pm (UTC)Want to have a voice in Canadian politics? Move to Canada and become a citizen.
Not necessarily. Look at the work of Amnesty International. Their main policy is to write to countries OTHER THAN THEIR OWN - partly because of safety, but partly because their idea is to show those countries that what they do affect the world and the world is watching.
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Date: 2005-04-04 09:04 pm (UTC)Because there are NO GAY PEOPLE in OHIO! That girl who hangs out with me, she's just my roommate for life. That's all.
:/
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Date: 2005-04-04 09:43 pm (UTC)(When I was in Sunday School I asked why the dietary laws in the OT weren't followed. The answer, from the Sunday School teacher, boiled down to "the ones we agree with are the ones still in effect, and the ones we don't agree with [editorial note: because we LIKE pork and shrimp and linen/cotton blends...] are the ones erased by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ".)
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Date: 2005-04-05 11:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-05 11:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 01:33 pm (UTC)Oh, so that's what happened.
I'd been wondering.
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Date: 2005-04-04 01:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 01:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 02:00 pm (UTC)I can't help feeling thankful that there's a big patch of deep water between America and the UK.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:19 pm (UTC)yup, apparently.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:23 pm (UTC)Actually, Canada isn't a melting pot. We're more of a tossed salad. People come here from other countries and they still keep their traditional ways of life. They're not pressured to conform or to become more "Canadian."
"Wyman, whose family owns construction and masonry businesses, says they'll pull everything out and move back to Ohio - with their three grown children and their families - if the legislation goes through"
Good. We don't want them here.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:27 pm (UTC)NEITHER DO WE! *shoves them back at you* You can *afford* the sillies. We can't, we have too many of them as it is!
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:28 pm (UTC)Wheee, fun! *lol* Sorry, that line just made me laugh.
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Date: 2005-04-04 02:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 03:07 pm (UTC)Okay, that made me laugh and laugh and laugh!
it isn't federal and provincial mismanagement of the health care system, it's those damn GHEYS!
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Date: 2005-04-04 03:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 03:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 07:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-04 07:55 pm (UTC)Want to have a voice in Canadian politics? Move to Canada and become a citizen.
Not necessarily. Look at the work of Amnesty International. Their main policy is to write to countries OTHER THAN THEIR OWN - partly because of safety, but partly because their idea is to show those countries that what they do affect the world and the world is watching.
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Date: 2005-04-04 09:04 pm (UTC)Because there are NO GAY PEOPLE in OHIO! That girl who hangs out with me, she's just my roommate for life. That's all.
:/
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Date: 2005-04-04 09:43 pm (UTC)(When I was in Sunday School I asked why the dietary laws in the OT weren't followed. The answer, from the Sunday School teacher, boiled down to "the ones we agree with are the ones still in effect, and the ones we don't agree with [editorial note: because we LIKE pork and shrimp and linen/cotton blends...] are the ones erased by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ".)
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Date: 2005-04-05 11:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-04-05 11:06 am (UTC)