It's that yahoo mail case still...
Mar. 4th, 2005 12:02 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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Yahoo! should so not cave on this issue. The email account doesn't belong to the family, it belongs to the dead guy. If he really wanted his family to have access to it, he should've used his head and given them the password. I know I don't want my family butting into my email when I'm gone. (I do want them butting into my LiveJournal, assuming it's still up, and posting that I've died. This is why I've told them that, specifically, and told them how to find the password.)
Oh, and there's editorials too: Yahoo! should shed the cold hearted poise. Stop sticking to the rules and work closer with the family toward a solution.
Cold hearted poise? What about "caring sensitivity towards the needs of the customers"? We don't know that this guy wanted his family to have his emails - for all we know, there's tons of porn in there! They should let things lie, and not press into their son's private life.
At this writing, Yahoo says it must abide by its subscriber privacy rules. But a soldier's last words to his family would seem to fit an almighty exception; the one case where breaking the rules is right and just and necessary.
Until they get the damn email account, and find out that there's lots of stuff in there they didn't want to see. Complaints about how "mom is always looking over my shoulder, even half a world away", talk about the cute guy in the mess hall, admissions that "yes, I did it, I killed Mr. Boddy in the dining room with the candlestick, it was me!". It's not just letters to the family.
And a poll.
Gee, I'm bored.
Oh, and there's editorials too: Yahoo! should shed the cold hearted poise. Stop sticking to the rules and work closer with the family toward a solution.
Cold hearted poise? What about "caring sensitivity towards the needs of the customers"? We don't know that this guy wanted his family to have his emails - for all we know, there's tons of porn in there! They should let things lie, and not press into their son's private life.
At this writing, Yahoo says it must abide by its subscriber privacy rules. But a soldier's last words to his family would seem to fit an almighty exception; the one case where breaking the rules is right and just and necessary.
Until they get the damn email account, and find out that there's lots of stuff in there they didn't want to see. Complaints about how "mom is always looking over my shoulder, even half a world away", talk about the cute guy in the mess hall, admissions that "yes, I did it, I killed Mr. Boddy in the dining room with the candlestick, it was me!". It's not just letters to the family.
And a poll.
Gee, I'm bored.
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Date: 2005-03-03 09:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-03 09:38 pm (UTC)I am shocked a little about his, but it is right.
If I died and later found out that these people let my mom read that I like to read about fictional characters shagging, nevermind that it's mostly the males ones, I'd be pissed.
I'd sue posthumrously.
hors.
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Date: 2005-03-03 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-03 09:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 01:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 07:20 am (UTC)The guy is dead. I couldn't give a monkey's who reads what of my personal things when Im dead. I don't care if they find my porn or any of the dodgy fetish sites I go on or any bizaare fan-fics I've done. Im dead. It doesn't matter. Im not there to squirm about and be embarrassed by it. They can go for it.
This isn't about anyone else, it's about this one guy and his emails, and I totally understand his parents wanting to see them because although they'll never get him back, theres little pieces of him locked away somewhere that some outsider is telling them they aren't allowed to see.
This kid never planned to die, Im sure if he knew he would he'd have tied up loose ends, probably giving his parents access to things like that.
I haven't gotten around to showing my parents my livejournal, or how to access it, but that doesn't mean I don't want them to read it. I DO want them to read it when and if I die. It's just something I haven't done yet because Im not expecting to die in the next few years.
But if I were to die tomorrow, would people be saying 'oh, she never wanted her parents to read this or she would have said so! Lets all make it really fucking hard for these parents to have any sort of connection to their dead kid'
This dead kid doesn't care if people read this stuff, and if it helps his parents cope with their loss and grief then it can't be bad. Even if they do find something they didn't expect, it's not as if they're going to suddenly say 'damn that boy! I hate him for not telling me!' It's not going to change their love for him or opinion of him.
They're mourning the loss of their son, for god's sake, they love the kid, nothing they find in an email account is going to change that.
Bottom line for me is that this boy is dead, he doesn't care if people are reading his emails, and it pisses me off that outsiders who are nothing to do with this family are getting involved and saying 'no, you can't see it'. Whats it got to do with them? This should be between the boy and his parents, no one else, and since he's dead now, just let the poor bastards salvage something about their son.
And thats what I think *nods*
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Date: 2005-03-04 07:59 am (UTC)Two words. Breach of contract. The guy signed a contract, knowing that Yahoo wouldn't give up his password. Yahoo can't break that contract without pissing off a lot of living people - many of whom *do* care what happens to their stuff when they die.
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Date: 2005-03-04 08:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 09:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 10:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 10:26 am (UTC)I do see why the issue is a bit dodgy though... I guess it comes down to your attitude towards email accounts and other online services requiring a password.
I guess for some people it's comparable to a safe whose owner was told to never ever give the key to anyone else but them, and that would still apply if they died tomorrow.
To me the passwords are just there for practical reasons, but I don't see my email as any more private than my snail mail for example, and my family wouldn't be stopped from accessing that either if I died. I'm not leading some secret double life on the internet, I just view it as an extension of my normal life... and just like all my property would fall to my family if I died, I think that should apply to my online stuff too.
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Date: 2005-03-03 09:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-03 09:38 pm (UTC)I am shocked a little about his, but it is right.
If I died and later found out that these people let my mom read that I like to read about fictional characters shagging, nevermind that it's mostly the males ones, I'd be pissed.
I'd sue posthumrously.
hors.
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Date: 2005-03-03 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-03 09:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 01:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 07:20 am (UTC)The guy is dead. I couldn't give a monkey's who reads what of my personal things when Im dead. I don't care if they find my porn or any of the dodgy fetish sites I go on or any bizaare fan-fics I've done. Im dead. It doesn't matter. Im not there to squirm about and be embarrassed by it. They can go for it.
This isn't about anyone else, it's about this one guy and his emails, and I totally understand his parents wanting to see them because although they'll never get him back, theres little pieces of him locked away somewhere that some outsider is telling them they aren't allowed to see.
This kid never planned to die, Im sure if he knew he would he'd have tied up loose ends, probably giving his parents access to things like that.
I haven't gotten around to showing my parents my livejournal, or how to access it, but that doesn't mean I don't want them to read it. I DO want them to read it when and if I die. It's just something I haven't done yet because Im not expecting to die in the next few years.
But if I were to die tomorrow, would people be saying 'oh, she never wanted her parents to read this or she would have said so! Lets all make it really fucking hard for these parents to have any sort of connection to their dead kid'
This dead kid doesn't care if people read this stuff, and if it helps his parents cope with their loss and grief then it can't be bad. Even if they do find something they didn't expect, it's not as if they're going to suddenly say 'damn that boy! I hate him for not telling me!' It's not going to change their love for him or opinion of him.
They're mourning the loss of their son, for god's sake, they love the kid, nothing they find in an email account is going to change that.
Bottom line for me is that this boy is dead, he doesn't care if people are reading his emails, and it pisses me off that outsiders who are nothing to do with this family are getting involved and saying 'no, you can't see it'. Whats it got to do with them? This should be between the boy and his parents, no one else, and since he's dead now, just let the poor bastards salvage something about their son.
And thats what I think *nods*
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Date: 2005-03-04 07:59 am (UTC)Two words. Breach of contract. The guy signed a contract, knowing that Yahoo wouldn't give up his password. Yahoo can't break that contract without pissing off a lot of living people - many of whom *do* care what happens to their stuff when they die.
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Date: 2005-03-04 08:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 09:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 10:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 10:26 am (UTC)I do see why the issue is a bit dodgy though... I guess it comes down to your attitude towards email accounts and other online services requiring a password.
I guess for some people it's comparable to a safe whose owner was told to never ever give the key to anyone else but them, and that would still apply if they died tomorrow.
To me the passwords are just there for practical reasons, but I don't see my email as any more private than my snail mail for example, and my family wouldn't be stopped from accessing that either if I died. I'm not leading some secret double life on the internet, I just view it as an extension of my normal life... and just like all my property would fall to my family if I died, I think that should apply to my online stuff too.