Once again, I want all the racist, sexist dudebros

[conuly]

OUT OF MY FANDOM.

What the hell sort of Star Trek have they even been watching all this time?

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[aerye]

Sing it, sister.

[serpentine]

The one where Kirk is a womanizer apparently. Like...pop culture Kirk is so different than actual TOS Kirk that I was very surprised when I finally watched TOS and was kinda annoyed because that idea kept me from watching it for so long.

[rhoda_rants]

Ugh. Crap people and their crap sense of ownership of a thing they did not create even a little bit. Terrible. (I need to watch this new Star Trek though; don't want to get too behind.)

[conuly]

Agreed.

[conuly]

I know.

Not sure how I feel about this new trek, but I don't like the reboot and this is better.

[chanter1944]

I'll be over here, writing all the TOS fic. About kickass clueful Janice Rand, and competent Ilia, and Mears and Tamura with first names, and Valeris redeemed, and...

[silveradept]

The one, I think, that confirms their vision of what the future is life, instead of the one that is actually present.

[rivendellrose]

Same. I have no idea what show they've been watching, but it sure as hell hasn't been the one the rest of us have been watching.

[conuly]

Funnily enough, their vision of the future doesn't look much like our present either.

[conuly]

Also, they think Roddenberry's vision of the future wasn't a post-scarcity, socialist utopia.

Not sure what economic system they're supposed to follow, actually, in the Trekverses, but it sure ain't capitalism if nobody has capital according to Word of Roddenberry..

[silveradept]

It does not. Their future seems rather coated with intentional Zeerust, as if the time when space and science fiction was always active men and passive women was ever anything more than a figment of John Norman's imagination.

[malkingrey]

Indeed. They make a big deal about Kirk always romancing the Female Guest Star of the Week (like just about every other action hero on TV at the time), and completely miss the fact that he explicitly doesn't get involved with members of his crew. Not even the ones who have crushes on him that could probably be seen from the next quadrant over.

(I think over the course of three seasons we've got one kiss under the mistletoe at a departmental Christmas party, a couple of hugs for comfort, and an aliens-made-them-do-it kiss, which in my opinion doesn't count.)

[flexagon]

As long as you are taking sexist dudebros, can you take them out of the tech industry too, please? Thanks.

[conuly]

Yo, I'd take them off the entire planet if I could get a dumpster big enough.

[sapphire2309]

i FEEL. dudebros suck.

[miss_s_b]

This is how most Sixth Doctor fans feel about Old Sixie when they finally get around to watching some eps of the most villified doctor [/hobbyhorse]

But yes, pop culture Kirk is so divergent from Kirk as he actually appears on screen that it's genuinely startling to watch ToS with the pop culture Kirk in your head.

[sovay]

as if the time when space and science fiction was always active men and passive women was ever anything more than a figment of John Norman's imagination.

That is beautifully said, even if now I have to scrounge up the brain bleach from thinking about Gor.

[sovay]

But yes, pop culture Kirk is so divergent from Kirk as he actually appears on screen that it's genuinely startling to watch ToS with the pop culture Kirk in your head.

I hope everyone in this thread has seen Erin Horáková's "Freshly Remember'd: Kirk Drift"?

[miss_s_b]

Yes, it's excellent.

[author_by_night]

I don't know. I'm not at all that into ST and even I can tell you the show was always progressive. Uhura and Sulu, for starters. That was revolutionary back then.

[mindstalk]

Roddenberry's vision isn't all of Star Trek, though. TOS had money and capitalists or at least traders (Harry Mudd?), it's only ST:IV that has Kirk going "we're beyond money". Gene got more of a death grip on TNG, putting humans beyond money... and religion... and grieving for lost family members. But then we got gold-pressed latinum, and transporter credits.

[conuly]

Roddenberry didn't take five minutes to sit down and realistically work out how his new, money-less society was going to function. Consequently, it's a mess. It's easier to work out the demographics of the Potterverse than to try to understand ST Economics.

[zesty_pinto]

I genuinely find their confusion to be hilarious. Though, to be fair on them, they're also the same idiots who thought Star Wars was getting so SJW despite its roots as an anti-war commentary about Vietnam that they needed to boycott it. It just bolsters my belief that people suffer from varying degrees of narcissism and anecdotes.

Still, going to look forward to what The Nib will feature on this topic in the coming weeks.

[conuly]

It'd be funnier if I didn't loathe them so much.

[silveradept]

Apologies. It was the best metaphor I had that expressed the correct scale.

[archangelbeth]

I am going mildly nuts not being able to watch the new one. The privacy-invasion of signing up for the thing made my security-minded spouse go screaming into the night, virtually.

Oh, well. I'll haunt YouTube and/or wait for iTunes to get it. *sits patiently* -_-

[archangelbeth]

Mental note: do Gor/STO crossover sometime. With the character who regards the Prime Directive as a suggestion so that her Starfleet sister, Fourteen of Thirty, doesn't make sad-borg emoji at her over the subspace Borg-link.

>_>

[monanotlisa]

For real. Thank God I haven't encountered them so far.

[conuly]

Pirated one ep, and all the comments were "OMG SJW BULLSHIT!" to which I say... did you watch this episode? Or are you claiming that having literally two female characters who talk to each other is waaaaaaay too girly for your manly man self?